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Project discovery: science isn't a popularity contest
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Balkog Saggath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-03-10 19:54:36 UTC
I've been going through the samples up to level 6.

I've noticed a trend: people wrongly associate markers in the cytoplasm.

For exemple:

Cytoplasm > Is seen throughout the cell except in the nucleus (blue marker).

CCP should highlight and/or underscore "except"... Because players are also trying to match as faint marker outisde the nucleus, even when the nucleus itself has a stronger marker patern.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2016-03-10 19:58:03 UTC
ITT:

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Saint Athanasius Trigentia
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-03-10 21:17:10 UTC
Balkog Saggath wrote:
I've been going through the samples up to level 6.

I've noticed a trend: people wrongly associate markers in the cytoplasm.

For exemple:

Cytoplasm > Is seen throughout the cell except in the nucleus (blue marker).

CCP should highlight and/or underscore "except"... Because players are also trying to match as faint marker outisde the nucleus, even when the nucleus itself has a stronger marker patern.


I started doing much better at identifying the parts when I paid less attention to the word description and started looking closely at all the example pics. In fact, I think at least another row of sample pics in each category would be really helpful.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-03-10 21:21:39 UTC
I've seen community results that are clearly examples of people not looking very carefully (reasonable), exact opposite of what they should be (puzzling) or obvious random button mashing.
Still an interesting thing to do while i lurk cloaked.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Sp3ktr3
The Regency
The Monarchy
#5 - 2016-03-10 21:27:15 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
I've seen community results that are clearly examples of people not looking very carefully (reasonable), exact opposite of what they should be (puzzling) or obvious random button mashing.
Still an interesting thing to do while i lurk cloaked.


The exact opposite ones aren't that puzzling, it's just clowns intentionally picking the wrong ones as they sit there reveling in their imagined greatness for having messed up the project.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-03-11 03:49:58 UTC
It seems pretty ok for me. I usually narrow it down to one or two types and 9/10 times it's one of thsoe two... Unfortunately that means only 4.5 times I'm right :(
Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-03-11 09:32:49 UTC
C'mon guys. Most people get toasted before they log. They may be looking close...at something....

As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars
#8 - 2016-03-11 09:58:38 UTC
Balkog Saggath wrote:
I've been going through the samples up to level 6.

I've noticed a trend: people wrongly associate markers in the cytoplasm.

For exemple:

Cytoplasm > Is seen throughout the cell except in the nucleus (blue marker).

CCP should highlight and/or underscore "except"... Because players are also trying to match as faint marker outisde the nucleus, even when the nucleus itself has a stronger marker patern.


Unfortunately the descriptor is the misleading issue here. Proteins can be located in both nucleus and cytoplasm. It is important to investigate the pattern in each, though.
Balkog Saggath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-03-13 00:07:54 UTC
Krevnos wrote:

Unfortunately the descriptor is the misleading issue here. Proteins can be located in both nucleus and cytoplasm. It is important to investigate the pattern in each, though.



Than CCP should rephrase the descritor because my Accuracy rating has been taking a nose dive for trying to take them to the letter.

When/if some proteins are explicitely exclisive to either nucleus, cytoplasm or periphery, the incompatible choices in the other categories should be automatically crossed out.

And just to be clear about my accuracy rating: I'm not as much concerned about my score as I am about helping an IRL scientific project.

As I said in my OP title... It's not a popularity contest, and people going for the quick answer might not be the right answer.

I'm afraid that if the data we provide isn't reliable, it will simply be put aside. And for the future, it means that project like these won't come to gaming communities for more brainpower.
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars
#10 - 2016-03-13 01:02:44 UTC
Balkog Saggath wrote:
Krevnos wrote:

Unfortunately the descriptor is the misleading issue here. Proteins can be located in both nucleus and cytoplasm. It is important to investigate the pattern in each, though.



Than CCP should rephrase the descritor because my Accuracy rating has been taking a nose dive for trying to take them to the letter.

When/if some proteins are explicitely exclisive to either nucleus, cytoplasm or periphery, the incompatible choices in the other categories should be automatically crossed out.

And just to be clear about my accuracy rating: I'm not as much concerned about my score as I am about helping an IRL scientific project.

As I said in my OP title... It's not a popularity contest, and people going for the quick answer might not be the right answer.

I'm afraid that if the data we provide isn't reliable, it will simply be put aside. And for the future, it means that project like these won't come to gaming communities for more brainpower.


I think that the descriptions were not designed by CCP, so the Project Discovery heads would need to agree on amending them.

I can see your point regarding the possibility that people will simply pick the easiest option, and indeed in the first few days I saw a lot of that. However, as players are becoming more experienced at reading cell patterns, a much higher degree of accuracy is emerging. As a molecular biologist myself, I can attest to this.