Player Features and Ideas Discussion

These are the same thing.

Your problem in understanding why wardecs exist is you view Eve as a ship or fleet combat simulator. It is not. It is a single-universe/single-economy, competitive PvP game. The game isn't designed with a primary goal to produce balance fights. It is instead suppose to be a sandbox where players have the freedom to tell their own stories, to build and to destroy.

For this to work, players need to be able to affect other players. It is simple as that: Eve after all comes from Everyone vs. Everyone. Almost without exception, every single game mechanic is subject to disruption by other players. CCP is not going to break that by adding a make-your-corporation-immune button to the game, even if that button is earned by shooting something.

I agree, there should be a way to opt-out of wars but there already is in the NPC corp. I also think that adding a social corp, or some other accommodation for players who want to group up socially, but who are not actually competing economically would be a great thing for CCP to do. But the for the rest of us who are trying to earn wealth and power in the greater universe, we need to be vulnerable to our rivals, all our rivals. Not just rivals that have enough money, or the numbers to defend a beacon, or whatever other hoop you are proposing the attacker to have to jump through.

Highsec wars a just a microcosm of the greater universe of New Eden. Small groups get stomped by large groups all the time. Large groups get harassed and trolled by small groups all the time. None of it is especially balanced or fair. It amazes me that such a large swath of the player base has the misapprehension that highsec should somehow be different, a place full of honour and "gud" fights. It is not. Highsec is intended to be as much the harsh and unforgiving place as the rest of New Eden.

Wars can use some work. More importantly, corporations can use some work to make them more worth defending. But no iteration is going to include mechanisms for players to make themselves immune to other players based on whatever criteria self-interested players like to regularly propose on these forums. Corporations are intended to be at risk: deal with that or play something else.

Fine with me. Corps that don't have structures in space are practically NPC corps already. Just move all corporation benefits into player structures (like citadel modules/rigs for collecting taxes, shared hangers and the like) and only allow wardecs against corporations with deployed player structures.

That way, if players want the benefits of being in a player corp they can deploy a structure and accept the risk someone will start a war and shoot it. If they just want to hang out with friends, well they can then do that in relative safety.

Citadels will require 7-days to take down so it will soon be impossible to evade a wardec by rolling up your in-space structures and hiding in a station. You will have to defend your structures or lose them.

You can also make it so that declaring a war requires an in-space structure (say by fitting a module or rig) so that the attacker has something on the line that can be exploded. However, making it so that wars can be ended by the defender (if that structure is destroyed or by some other mechanism) is not going to work. Players need to be able to fight over structures unimpeded by CONCORD, especially given they have so many reinforcement windows and will take over a week to successfully explode.

That'd be like ... only deccing the holding corp which holds the towers? Meh. Corps have different sizes as well. Wars don't need to be equal numbers staged events (you were expecting a fair fight?? LOL)

Alliances with an industry corp and several PvP corps are probably counting on the PvP corps to be involved in wardecs also -- this idea throws that out of the window and along with it, the reason for said indy corp to even have an alliance.

What's a coalition? *void()

I have a suggestion- though I apologies if it's already been made.

If you want CONCORD not to interfere in your war, then if the war expires, you can't re-declare it immediately- there should be a (reasonable) length of time (say, a month or two) before you can declare war on that corporation/alliance again.
If, however, you don't care about CONCORD, than a) why are you using wardecs in the first place rather than simply suicide ganking and b) you can declare war all you like

Either that, or allow industrial/frieghter pilots to hire an escort (by this, I mean pay for protection that automatically follows you through warp- while you can escort a frieghter/industrial already, you can't have them warp together automatically) either from fellow players (which is a possible alternative source of revenue for gank corps) or from NPC mercenaries. However, hiring an escort should be expensive- I'm thinking of it costing ~10% of the cost to buy the ships you want to hire- with the idea that escorts would only be hired either by industrial/freighter owners that are that desperate, or have that high-value a load. (oh, and obviously, said mercenaries can be defeated by a sufficiently large force)

CCP recommended I come and post something on these boards to voice my opinion on wardecs. I tried reading the entire thread first but found the amount of troll responses to be unbearable. And so if anything I write is repetitive, I apologize.

Crying about attackers vs. defenders and the "advantage" one vs. the other has is pointless. This is indeed a sandbox, and I think that wardecs add an interesting play style to the game. The point at which it becomes "unfair" is when a non-PvP corp gets constant war declarations week after week. I'll be the first to admit that there might be an obvious reason for some of these declarations (offline structures, excessive afk mining, etc.) but at what point does it become unfair to the non-PvPer to have to deal with PvP situations for months at a time? For those of you who are going to respond with "QQ don't play a PVP game then QQ", don't bother because you're wrong. EvE is much much more than just a PvP game.

There should be a fair way for high security corporations to thwart war declarations without having to completely relocate or close shop. The only thing a non-PvP player can do is stay docked. Seriously? I'd like to recommend that there be some sort of consequence to repeatedly declaring wars against a corporation. Or maybe add in a grace period after a war ends so that the peaceful corp can't be war declared for a month straight. Or, include standings with the Concord police so that if you do get war declared against you, the NPCs will help you out to a certain extent depending on your standing with them...

Either way, we need something to balance out the war declarations so that the high security game play style does not remain completely corrupted by blind war declarations.

That is literally the worst reasoning I have ever seen..

Also
1) You have a better chance of learning pvp by going to low sec, null sec, and WH space.

2) I would prefer they gank.... Ganking has limited opportunity, is restricted by the tactics you take in order to avoid it, and doesn't allow your opponent to permanently lock you into a situation in which your opponent can freely kill you and has all the safety and benefits provided by HS in order to do so.

The only way to limit wardeccers is by not undocking or not joining a player corp.

Considered shooting back? You're playing a competitive game here. While I agree that wardec'ing brand new corps may be bad practice, it's not the wardec that is at fault. It's the notion of an apparently utterly clueless CEO making a corp, and recruiting more of the same clueless players into that.

If said corp then fails..... working as intended.

Those who cannot shoot for themselves are free to get assistance -- and to be quite frankly, I believe the WAR ASSIST mechanic to be broken as hell because it puts all the risk on whoever decs first. But I guess this was done precisely to prevent never ending wars against poor poor miners. This mechanic is already in place - what more do you want?


Not joining a player corp IS a valid alternative; after all, if you do not need a POS (if you do need a POS you're ready to defend it, yes??) all you need is a chat channel. There is no argument that says you HAVE to be able to make a wardec-free corp. Because what you really mean is TAX free, right?

I've strongly considered shooting back.

The deccers ran and hid, while continuing the wardec 'because they can' with no intent on actually fighting me; Only destroying targets of opportunity.
You can't exactly fight what isn't there.

Also, attempting to fight back, with the current wardec mechanics, does nothing but provide the deccer with more targets and BY NO MEANS will help the defender end the dec.


With the way these wardeccers are, the current wardec mechanic is like handing a samurai sword to a 2 year old when they're mad.

NOT a good.

The only issue is the impunity dec corps have (from defender point of view) there really is little to no risk when you wardec a small or new player oriented corp. Citadels will some what help this by making it riskier to camp people in their home station but it won't be enough.what needs to change here is the attackers need to be forced to put something at risk.

However you should never just stay docked up and not play is not hard to play safely around a war dec


From the attacker point of view is the impunity of dropping corp or never leaving npc corps is the main issue.

This is have a hard time thinking of a viable solution to



It would also help of the war dec cost formula was alerted so that it was more expensive to dec smaller corps but cheaper to dec larger ones

Perhaps the reason there are no consequences for the players that dec you is because you sit in station everytime you are decced.

Even whilst being completely combat inept, there are ways to operate under a dec. Ask your leadership why they dont tell the alliance to consolidate during wardecs and run mining ops whilst scouts watch gates, or why they dont run **** fit cruiser roams during decs. When you say you cant play the game while a war is declared, it says something about your corp/alliance.

Im all for changing the mechanic. But im dead set against giving any lee way to players who wont even try to help themselves.