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Ganking is hard as it is as some say .. now even more against freighters .. as past couple weeks in uedama and other hotspots .. hitting the whales with no selecting .. playing the odds or so they say ... perhaps its best for the DCU change .. gankers need some change in eve .. perhaps go and lul around in null .. high sec is green for a reason ..

as seen the past weeks in uedama and other hotspots where prettu much any freighter thta went n there didint come thro the system .. gankers didint even think to see if its proffitable to hit or not .. well meybe they did .. but didint care .. that was proof that ganking was too easy .. just meybe cause u cant/dont want to field that many toons to take down a whale .. thats your problem ..


back to DCU .. strippped down quite a few of em from my ships .. some of my PVE ships didint use it before the buff.. so little extra tank is good on em ..

Removing piracy from highsec is not a good thing.


Thats just an outright lie, a tiny fraction of the freighter traffic through uedama were shot at.



Which ships and fits?

I imagine nobody, but if you can find a DCU that does the same thing as one pre-patch, you might want to report it to CCP as a bug, because last I checked the DCU does less and the ship does more.

Indeed, so if someone is looking for defensive power only, then the DCU is the best choice. This we have covered. Now what if they don't favour defense but have a minimum defensive criteria that the 33% resists take them over but 0% resists would have left them below?

You can still turn a profit ganking miners today, but it has has never been about isk gain. Two catalysts fit for less than 2m a piece can still destroy retrievers, covetors, hulks and mackinaws, scoop the loot and turn a meager profit. The problem is, and always was, that the isk/hour for the effort required to hunt miners has never been worthwhile with more lucrative targets available that are easier to kill. Even when gank ships were insurable the isk/hour for the amount of work miner ganking takes was never worth mentioning. It has and will always be about getting a reaction, whether it's tears or changing the behavior of players.

As for the second point, there is no reason for a mission running ship to fit a DC, but it has been a relatively common practice for players to fit a DC on incursion running ships. It isn't strictly necessary, but some players make the judgement when they're using t2 fits or don't have links available and it isn't always about the extra shield and armor resists. Screw ups happen and the extra buffer isn't a bad way to ensure that your incursion battleship will have a little more time to sort problems out. Now, we have default hull resists, and as a result the DC is a less attractive module, something that if you're interested in suicide ganking blingy incursion ships, you should be happy about.

Also, I've previously outlined a number of situations about 30 pages back where it would be advantageous for players to drop the DC on their PVP fits. As I've said before, shield buffer and MASB fit frigates fighting AAR fit frigates, as well as a few scram kiters, gain more from additional DPS than they do from additional tank in addition to how the structure changes make these fits more viable. It was ignored then as I'm sure it will be again.

I don't think that the DC and structure changes were even meant to be a sweeping change to offset the large scale viability of the DC. The DC is one of the hallmarks of a PVP fit ship along with warp disruptors and scramblers and aside from a few cases, like those above, most PVP ships will continue to fit it, which isn't a bad thing. It's something that separates lvl4 or ratting battleships from PVP fits in a way that provides meaningful gameplay choices. For the rest of PVP fit ships, a few fits didn't use it before the changes and a handful more will drop it now, which to me, looks like the intended consequence.

You've painted a grim picture of freighter ganking but you've picked a subset of numbers that only supports your narrative about the hull changes. Yes, it is significantly more expensive to gank a max tanked obelisk or anshar, but on the low end, such as for a max capacity charon, the change in isk is relatively small. Before, under the best circumstances, a ganking group could destroy an expander fit charon with as few as 9 catalysts, and now, that number is 11, vs 25 for a max tank fit. To buy two max dps catas, thats it's about 25m isk, and maybe that's the change that CCP desires. A small impact on the low end and a big impact on the high end to balance the downsides and rewards of certain behaviors.

Given the low barrier to entry and potential lucrativeness, freighter ganking is not going to go away. A quick check of zkill confirms my statement. Yes, it's going to be harder in all cases, but on the low end, it won't be much harder, and for most groups, the structure change will be absorbed by the extra players already present on freighter killmails who aren't always there because they need to be to ensure the kill, but are there simply to participate.

It's time for people in this thread to get real about the DC and structure changes. The amount of inane bickering is a detriment to the game and is only going to alienate CCP from wanting to be inclusive to players in the dev cycle. Some of CCP's changes are reactive and at some point you've got to accept that it's their vision of the game that matters, and if they think that freighters are being ganked too often, or that it's too easy to gank them, or that the wreck HP changes need a counterbalance, then that is what is going to happen.

Because of buffs you cannot turn a profit ganking barges anymore. There is nothing to gain from barge ganking so thats stating a fact.

The second is following the entire last page of your argument.




Losing 1/3 of your EHP makes one hell of a difference. There is little point is having a massivly fast ship that is equally fragile when it enters web range which it will have to if you are packing a scram. You engaged in an "EFT war" the moment yo made a claim you will be no longer fitting a DCU on ships you fly. So far all the evidence shows you are making **** up.





There isn't any difference in the end result.

Shhhhh, you're getting silly now. The difference is negligible and the same gankers I've seen out duelbox ganking a week ago are still doing so today.

No I didn't, I specifically avoided an EFT war, because I couldn't give a flying **** how you would fit a ship. Any fit given to you is just going to end with you going "But if you fit a DCU you have more defense", and you'll probably be right, but since defense isn't the only stat on a ship I care about and oftentimes not even close to the most important one, it's a completely irrelevant point to make. Yet you'd still make it then just repeat it until the end of time because that's what you do, especially when you're super salty like this.

But there certainly is a difference in the module. Imagine you have a torch in a completely dark room. Turn the torch off, you can't see. Then imagine they gave you a slightly dimmer torch but a low ambient light that makes up the difference. Now you turn the torch off and can still see a little. Suddenly turning the torch off to save on batteries isn't as bad. Sure, in some situations the ambient light might not be enough, and in some situations complete darkness is fine, but in some situations where you only needed the ambient light, that alone will do.

And you're fixated on PvP ships.

Look mate, it's simple. Do you seriously believe that not one player has or will remove a DCU following this change? If the answer is yes, then there's not much to do but laugh at you since we know for a fact that is false as people including myself already have. If the answer is no, then why the hell are you still arguing about it?

I have no interest in flying out to have some one on one so you can prove how much better you are at combat than an industrialist. Seems like a pointless waste of my time when you are so obviously wrong anyway.

Wardecs are now killing more freighters than ganking by a huge margin, please nerf wardecs.

this topic getting silly lol .. as stated before THERE is a Difrence in the module .. just cause the end result useing the module is the same dosent mean nohting changed ..

u guys do know not everyone go for the Tank fits with DCU-s .. extra resists without one gives a better then nohting buffer in there .. and might give an extra slot for damage mod or so to actualy make it so u might not even need the hull buffer .. get your head out of the tiny box u live in ...

Seriously, you are deranged.
Did you even look at my killboard, do you know how I generate isk?
Looking at EFT and saying, this ship that has always used a DCU might be better without one now - Is not smart Eve.


And Lucas, I don't for one second believe ANYONE (even you if you were honest) would remove a DCU used on a ship previously due to this change.

IT DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, except the miniscule amount of cap they used to consume.