Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My FW corp used to use carriers to move fitted ships to systems that we planned to capture. With fatigue and nerf to jump range that doesn't work now. We have been having to use jump freighters to move the ships and fittings, repackaging ships every time we move them. We lose the rigs and any indication of who owns what every time we do this.

The bowhead would be a great alternative to moving fitted ships, if it had a jump drive with the range of a jump freighter. Hell, I'd settle for a tech 2 bowhead with less capacity.

I know the idea has been shot down before, but jump freighters can already move a ton of packaged ships anyway. A bowhead with a jump drive would just make the process a little more streamlined.

Faction warfare.

We used neutral carriers to stage the fitted ships in a station in the target system. I'm not talking about a few ships. I'm talking about thousands of ships being moved by a team of neutrals.

We then set up a pos with the FW corp, then use the neutral carriers to bring the ships to the pos. Our FW characters jump in the carriers, and deposit the ships into the SMA. Neutral character then goes back to station for another load.

What used to take a day or two, and one jump a trip......now takes multiple jumps and ages thanks to fatigue. Jump carriers were deemed 'easier' because of the increased jump range and fatigue bonus.

BUT the jump freighters have the drawback of having to repackage the ships every time we move them.

Absolutely, this is a power projection issue.

As I have said twice, you can already move a crapton of unfit ships with jump freighters. An anshar can move 70 destroyers plus fits per jump. What I am asking for is for the bowhead to be able to move like a jump freighter. It can't carry as many, but it can move FITTED ones.

Power projection. It can't carry pilots too. It's not like people are going to use it to hotdrop someone. It can carry about half the number of fitted/rigged ships as compared to a jump freighter carrying unfitted ships.

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It's not power projection. I'm thinking you guys think that pilots can get in a bowhead or something.

What I propose is ease of logistics, which the jump freighters already do arguably better than the proposed bowhead with a jump drive.

Thats why its not getting a jump drive.

Not buying it. It is power projection because you'll move a literal boat load of ships to your staging system with minimal fatigue (on neutral pilots no less) and the rest can get there quickly and safely via travel fit interceptors.

So, no.

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And how is that different than what we are currently doing with jump freighters? 60 unfit ships vs 30 fit ships in a bowhead.

Because you have powerblocks that moved thousands of ships fitted and ready to go in a night.

As in never because these issues are unresolveable as CCP's goals of smaller groups, medium groups setting up shop in Null (or even low sec) and the real requirements for living in Null are mutually exclusive. Only the bigger groups can actually produce (as in build and loot) the necessary amounts of stuff for fitting ships and having them ready when they are needed. Even groups of the size of Darkness has problems getting, for instance, enough minerals to even keep a capital only production running, let alone provide sup-cap ships, modules, ammo, drones at scale when needed.
But CCP will press forward with such a JF nerf anyways regardless of what the realities in EVE are. Once they nerf JF into uselessness, they will once and for all have made it impossible for any small group to live in Null after Citadels hit that already makes it more a game of blind luck to keep your stuff than anything else.

Not enough willing miners, lack of Mexallon, the usual things