Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The idea is simple, give ships that can fit a covert ops cloak a delay from appearing in local chat.

Doesn't have to be a long delay, 10 seconds would be more than enough.

Local chat is being abused for easy intel and ruins the fun of covert ops in my mind.

Good idea? Bad idea? Thoughts?

You beat me to it.

I'm also inclined to think this isn't intended for anything other than blowing up targets of opportunity.

Whether it's HS, low sec, or NS; I believe the intent here is to make killing easier, but not in a way that benefits Eve.
Instead, only benefiting those who wish to kill whilst reducing the risk of death.

Can't knock him for flying cloaky ships to do so.. I do it myself.
However, doesn't mean I wish to fundamentally change Eve for the sake of providing myself with a target rich environment.

I would rather change Eve in a way that makes people actually want to pvp...

It's easy enough already for prospect and bomber to fly right through the intel and go suprise slow aligning targets, I see your face too often in Provi to think that you dont want but even easier kills for yourself.

Sure there would be balance. Thanks to how vast sov is these days, it is literally impossible to sneak up on someone who is even paying the vaguest mote of attention thanks to either the in game tools/intel channels, or the 3rd party tools.

99.99% of the time, the kill is the result of the ratter being careless, with 00.01% of the time being because the hunter was good. I have done a lot of blops hunting, and this balance always was sort of frustrating, especially since most of the good ratting ships these days can do everything while aligned. Just a tiny 10 second window would give one enough time to find which anomaly they are at and give the hunter a chance.

Removing local entirely would be amazing - dscan becomes king and the active hunter rather than the afk ratter has an actual advantage.

Either that or actually fix the real problem of docking up in response to raiders being the best solution. Imagine if you had to complete a site to collect isk, and invaders could somehow de-spawn half completed anomalies, or if all income had to be collected through ESS type things that could not be guarded by rats.

Perfect, instant, 100% reliable intel sort of spoils a game about risk.

I am filled to the brim with excitement and hope given how well ESS and Siphons worked, and how sucessfully they were implemented.

They totally won't be completely tilted/outright exploited in favor of anyone - heaven's no!

A game is where both sides make moves to determine the final outcome. When it comes to ratters, they have all the cards, all the pieces, and all the moves - it's no fun as the game is 100% in their control, and avoidance is still the best strategy.

Not at all. It actually enforces a good risk/reward paradigm - you can make the most in WHs, yet you will almost never be 100% safe the way you are doing anomalies in deep sov.

The original poster isn't going for infinite invisibility anyway, just a slightly delayed one. AFK cloaking is terrible game play, but you soon realize the practicality of it when actively hunting is so futile - you aren't so much hunting as trying to find someone who will let themselves be caught. You literally have no way to get to someone who is paying any amount of attention, and likewise they do not have to commit anything to run anomalies, and can warp out at will, yet still collect all the reward.

10s delay would be a good compromise.

inattention usually is result

If they add a way to find cloaky ships that are in safe spots sure I'll agree.

Those ratters worked with each other, established an intel network between themselves, and use scouts to monitor systems. Why shouldn't you have to put in the same amount of work to kill them?

They have worked together for the common goal of minimize their risk. You should have to work with others to maximize your chances of catching them. This is a multiplayer game, if you play with others you may see your chances of success increase.