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[February] Wreck Hitpoint Rebalance

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Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#361 - 2016-03-09 23:37:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Carrier, Dread, Rorqual, Orca, Freighter: 15000 hp
You do realize that this is a massive buff to freighter ganking?

When can we expect a fix for risk free looting in highsec via a fleet hangar/freight container/can and a laundering alt in return?



Shhhh. CCP coddles carebears and hates gankers. Don't you know?



Enormous freight containers are already impossible to drag through a fleet hanger.


You don't say? That's not what I'm talking about.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#362 - 2016-03-10 20:45:04 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:


You don't say? That's not what I'm talking about.


You want a counter to dragging loot through a fleet hanger, stuffing your cargo into the enormous freight containers means only a freighter can loot it. There's your fix.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#363 - 2016-03-10 21:22:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:


You don't say? That's not what I'm talking about.


You want a counter to dragging loot through a fleet hanger, stuffing your cargo into the enormous freight containers means only a freighter can loot it. There's your fix.

Freight containers can be used for the purpose of laundering loot in the same way as a fleet hanger: you can launch freight containers into space, use a laundering alt in a noob ship who puts the loot from the wreck into the freight container. Somebody else in the same fleet picks it up without gaining a suspect flag. The one who picks it up doesn't need to scoop the freight container, he can just open it and loot everything inside, hence no need for a freighter. Freight containers have the drawback that you can't put containers or contract packages into them, that's why fleet hangars are currently the preferred choice.

We want the whole mechanic getting fixed, not just the special case "fleet hangar".

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#364 - 2016-03-10 22:04:45 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:


You don't say? That's not what I'm talking about.


You want a counter to dragging loot through a fleet hanger, stuffing your cargo into the enormous freight containers means only a freighter can loot it. There's your fix.

Freight containers can be used for the purpose of laundering loot in the same way as a fleet hanger: you can launch freight containers into space, use a laundering alt in a noob ship who puts the loot from the wreck into the freight container. Somebody else in the same fleet picks it up without gaining a suspect flag. The one who picks it up doesn't need to scoop the freight container, he can just open it and loot everything inside, hence no need for a freighter. Freight containers have the drawback that you can't put containers or contract packages into them, that's why fleet hangars are currently the preferred choice.

We want the whole mechanic getting fixed, not just the special case "fleet hangar".


Nobody does that. Not only is it overly complicated and takes considerably longer but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#365 - 2016-03-10 22:18:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Nobody does that. Not only is it overly complicated and takes considerably longer but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
Nobody does that, yet. As soon as fleet hangars are fixed, people will as it's the next best thing and we're back to square one.

baltec1 wrote:
but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
I think I have heard that one before regarding freighter wrecks. Look how that turned out ...

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#366 - 2016-03-10 22:29:07 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:
but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
I think I have heard that one before regarding freighter wrecks. Look how that turned out ...


It became near impossible to loot anything. Why would gankers use this tactic when its near impossible to keep the container alive? You are demanding a nerf to something that doesn't even exist.
Beldantazar
Empyrean Acolytes
#367 - 2016-03-10 22:34:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:
but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
I think I have heard that one before regarding freighter wrecks. Look how that turned out ...


It became near impossible to loot anything. Why would gankers use this tactic when its near impossible to keep the container alive? You are demanding a nerf to something that doesn't even exist.


They are demanding the nerf because they are capable of basic pattern recognition and thus recognize that unless the entire mechanic is fixed, this is the next thing that players will do if the hangar laundering is fixed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#368 - 2016-03-10 22:41:51 UTC
Beldantazar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:
but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
I think I have heard that one before regarding freighter wrecks. Look how that turned out ...


It became near impossible to loot anything. Why would gankers use this tactic when its near impossible to keep the container alive? You are demanding a nerf to something that doesn't even exist.


They are demanding the nerf because they are capable of basic pattern recognition and thus recognize that unless the entire mechanic is fixed, this is the next thing that players will do if the hangar laundering is fixed.


The tactic wont work.
Beldantazar
Empyrean Acolytes
#369 - 2016-03-10 22:55:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Beldantazar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:
but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
I think I have heard that one before regarding freighter wrecks. Look how that turned out ...


It became near impossible to loot anything. Why would gankers use this tactic when its near impossible to keep the container alive? You are demanding a nerf to something that doesn't even exist.


They are demanding the nerf because they are capable of basic pattern recognition and thus recognize that unless the entire mechanic is fixed, this is the next thing that players will do if the hangar laundering is fixed.


The tactic wont work.


Are you saying the laundering won't work? or that the thing will be popped too fast to be useful?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#370 - 2016-03-11 01:37:55 UTC
Beldantazar wrote:


Are you saying the laundering won't work? or that the thing will be popped too fast to be useful?


It has the same tank as wrecks used to, looting after a gank was next to impossible so yea, they will get popped before you can finish the transfer. Nobody will use that tactic because it simply won't work.
Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#371 - 2016-03-11 03:42:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:

baltec1 wrote:
but the freight container has next to no tank and is easily volleyed by damn near anything.
I think I have heard that one before regarding freighter wrecks. Look how that turned out ...


It became near impossible to loot anything. Why would gankers use this tactic when its near impossible to keep the container alive? You are demanding a nerf to something that doesn't even exist.

Read the first post of this very thread again, then you know how it turned out.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#372 - 2016-03-12 01:34:33 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:

Read the first post of this very thread again, then you know how it turned out.


Notice how nobody is asking for enormous freight containers to be given huge tanks. This tactic you are demanding a nerf to doesn't happen and will never happen.
BIoodRaine
Doomheim
#373 - 2016-03-17 10:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: BIoodRaine
This game was long time ago rigged in favor of sociopaths who seems to be a very carefully nursed species in EVE by CCP Devs. So stop wasting your time trying to make sense of CCP game design decisions, they are just focused to protect a very specific category of troubled people, who find in this game their favorite space to perpetuate their sadistic tendencies, going from killing and torture little bugs, to grief real people.

So any action made to grief the griefers is not meet with classical "adapt or die" motto, but with brief changes to the game play meant to stop the things who upset them, and protect that sensible flowers from being emotionally damaged...

In this time any advantage for anti-pirates and anti-griefers are eradicated by intent. (See gate sentries mechanics nerf, removal of kill rights for ship kills in low sec, etc, etc.)

In conclusion move on , and go play a game designed by normal people for normal people; or if you really like this game very much, just move in low sec were that kind of people (griefers) will not go.

PS: Hi-sec is not a place who worth the name as at this moment is just a refuge for new players and risk adverse psychos.
Just imagine how you can call a place were criminals can kill and rob people, then they can accommodate to any station without being arrested or they can travel and live in that space without any real impediment; they can keep killing people every 15 minutes with some incompetent police/concord guys having the memory of a exotic fish and who cannot do anything else but to watch them them flying around... But of course that is very very logical, so CCP just needed to move on and do an urgent "rebalance" for the poor wrecks, after 10 years of being just like that, and after nobody except gankers, asked for a change.
ARES-DESIDERATUS
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#374 - 2016-03-19 02:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ARES-DESIDERATUS
BIoodRaine wrote:
This game was long time ago rigged in favor of sociopaths who seems to be a very carefully nursed species in EVE by CCP Devs. So stop wasting your time trying to make sense of CCP game design decisions, they are just focused to protect a very specific category of troubled people, who find in this game their favorite space to perpetuate their sadistic tendencies, going from killing and torture little bugs, to grief real people.

So any action made to grief the griefers is not meet with classical "adapt or die" motto, but with brief changes to the game play meant to stop the things who upset them, and protect that sensible flowers from being emotionally damaged...

In this time any advantage for anti-pirates and anti-griefers are eradicated by intent. (See gate sentries mechanics nerf, removal of kill rights for ship kills in low sec, etc, etc.)

In conclusion move on , and go play a game designed by normal people for normal people; or if you really like this game very much, just move in low sec were that kind of people (griefers) will not go.

PS: Hi-sec is not a place who worth the name as at this moment is just a refuge for new players and risk adverse psychos.
Just imagine how you can call a place were criminals can kill and rob people, then they can accommodate to any station without being arrested or they can travel and live in that space without any real impediment; they can keep killing people every 15 minutes with some incompetent police/concord guys having the memory of a exotic fish and who cannot do anything else but to watch them them flying around... But of course that is very very logical, so CCP just needed to move on and do an urgent "rebalance" for the poor wrecks, after 10 years of being just like that, and after nobody except gankers, asked for a change.

You sound mad bro... "sadistic tendencies", "killing and torturing little bugs"

Seriously let it out.

I bet you eat animals in real life and don't care how much pain and suffering we put hundreds of billions of animals through every year yet you gonna come on here with this kind of melodramatic carebear whining. hypocrite.

Kind of makes me want to become a high sec pirate again.

Don't like my post.

BIoodRaine
Doomheim
#375 - 2016-03-19 08:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: BIoodRaine
ARES-DESIDERATUS wrote:
You sound mad bro... "sadistic tendencies", "killing and torturing little bugs"

I bet you eat animals in real life and don't care how much pain and suffering we put hundreds of billions of animals through every year yet you gonna come on here with this kind of melodramatic carebear whining. hypocrite.

Kind of makes me want to become a high sec pirate again.


This is exactly the type of CCP customers about what i wrote, that kind who needs a special virtual enviroment to release his impulses...
If you look at his post you can see that he don't have the cognitive capacity to make a simple difference between some basic acts in life, like the one of killing animals to feed and survive, and something very different like killings made by deranged people to satisfy their sadistic pleasures... So, from his point of view, a guy who prepare food for his family is just a hypocrite with some kind of sadistic ideas and impulses Shocked
ARES-DESIDERATUS
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#376 - 2016-03-19 20:29:42 UTC
Actually killing animals for food is completely unnecessary in modern society, and it's actually healthier to live on a properly prepared vegan diet (complete nutritional intake + no cholesterol). Do some research.

And even if I killed and tortured bugs every day, I could still be inflicting less suffering on the world because I could choose to only kill the bugs who don't feel pain, whereas the animals you choose to eat every day are every bit as capable as suffering as humans are. You aren't sadistic, you just close your mind to the reality of your actions.

The point is you are a carebear and you're whining about "sadistic" players in EVE when in reality you you are no better than any of the players you are complaining about, and in some cases you're actually far worse.

If you have a point to make you can make it without your little carebear whining and without making horrible assumptions and labeling normal every day EVE players "sadistic", "troubled", and straight up calling us psychopaths who torture bugs for no reason (on what basis do you make this ridiculous claim?) If you were capable of doing that you might have something worth saying but for now you're just a butthurt carebear.

You might consider going to play those "normal" games you spoke of, where you can live in a peaceful village free from sadistic players and can farm in peace.

Don't like my post.

BIoodRaine
Doomheim
#377 - 2016-03-20 17:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: BIoodRaine
You get it totally wrong, i don't complain about sadistic players, they are a good share of player base and CCP need to keep them as they are probably one of the most faithful category of players, mostly because is very hard for them to find elsewhere an indulgent game enviroment like this.

My main problem is not with sadistic tendencies of the griefers, as they are who they are and will not change anytime, but with CCP who in a rush for money forget about players who have other incentives to play this game; for example anti-piracy gameplay who got evicted completely by the gameplay design decisions and the changes from last years; the countless buffs to the outlaw gamestyle like gate sentries nerfs, removal of killrights for ship killing in low sec, introduction of security tags, etc, and most recent, the increase of the freighters wrecks hitpoints, all this unbalanced the game in a single direction and favoring just one type of players, the outlaws.

PS: At least you managed to made the distinction between sadism and normal people activities, so my time on this forum was not wasted completely... Lol Otherwise i know that i gain nothing by expressing the opinions of a minority, because CCP will pursue for sure the same agenda as it did in the last 2-3 years.