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There may be different tactics and mods to cope with highsec ganking - usually proposed by the gankers themselves. They are just really unhandy and therefore useless. I want to see real counterplay. That is what we expect from a computer game and its mechanics. And putting in some fake numbers, like you did, does not help the case.

I think that CCP, once again, was able to find an elegant solution to multiple problems by changing the dcu. They lowered the need to fit a dcu. Saying that every former fit with a dcu will keep it, is just wrong. I'm pretty sure people are working over their fits as we speak.

The stated "intent" was clearly a smokescreen for the freighter buff. Not that I mind that, but that is what it was...

I was a bit shocked at just how many of my tight fits will have to be completely redone, based on these changes to DCU's, target painters, and scramblers.

The module is just flat out too good still when no other options really end up being better in pretty much any scenario...

Can you post a fit to demonstrate this use case?

EDIT : Also, can you explain where your hull resist fit idea comes from since your hull resist is highly irrelevant in most case as long as you end up with more total buffer. It's not like hull is a tanking layer where we aim for anything but raw EHP since we can't count on efficient logi/local reps to make good use of those resist.

I can, but I won't. Since any fits posted would just be EFT warriored to death about how they'd be better if X, because people seem to be incapable of understanding that different people have different pinions about what stats they want on their ships and thus there's more than one way to fit a given ship.

I might just want it.

Of course I would, because prior to this change to hit my criteria of 30% hull resists I would have been forced to fit a DCU and thus be limited on speed. I'm sure it is what you used to do and will continue to do, and when the entire playerbase consists of just you, that will be important.

I am a newbro I don't fly a freighter or gank but I don't understand the complaints by the gank side of the equation. Pre patch lets say it took 20 catalysts and now it takes 30 catalysts to gank a particular freighter. since it seems like it's a 50% EHP buff according some math on this post.

base price of a freighter hull is 1.2Bil plus whatever cargo he is carrying another 1-xx billion. 30 gank fit catalysts cost 60-90 million vs 40-60 million for 20. so you bring 10 extra pilots and the gank team looses an extra 20-30 million in ships. still a small fraction of the loss the freighter pilot has to suck up. So what is all this complaining about?

If this was such a buff to freighters that the gank team has to loose 20mil more in ships for a multi billion isk gank who cares?

I think the buff really needed is making repeated bumping an aggressive act. It seems illogical than one pilot can bump another forever waiting for the gank team to put down what they are doing, jump maybe dozens of systems, fleet up, get into position and then blow up the freighter. if they gank side wants to gank they should be required to be setup at the gate, or a short jump away and when their scout calls a target jumping in they warp to gate and engage. being able to do whatever the hell you want because your bumper can hold the target indefinitely with no repercussion seems like a horribly one sided gank friendly mechanic.

why not make it so when warp is initiated a timer starts, after 2 minutes or 5 minutes or whatever the warp engages unless the target was damaged by say 10% of EHP( I.e. no noob ship shooting it once to reset the timer.) or as been suggested before make repeated bumping an aggressive act with Concord response?

Like I said I am a newbie so maybe this mechanic makes sense in some way I am just not getting.

Did you fit a DCU to ceptors?
Or are you just arguing "I" because you know you have no other argument?

Did you actually aim for 30% hull resists on nano fits or are you again using meaningless examples?

PS; The entire player base doesn't need to be "just me" there are some doctrines around that are flown by thousands that never relied on 30% hull resists. There are and always have been ships you just didn't put a DCU on, simply because that speed mod was more important.

Thats what i ment when i say the tactics against ganking are unhandy and useless. Do you really expect people to get a webbing alt or a corpmate for highsec hauling? Do we really want to do that to these people? Imagine something like hauling in highsec (!) needs two accounts to do it - thats ridiculous.

There is no counterplay. There is no risk vs. reward. This buff to the hull of every ship is very important. I like how you try to gain legitimacy by refering your numbers to some dubious freighter organisation. So yeah, lets go with that.

I understand when people say the changes are cautious and could be more drastic. But then again - how do you change a mod that is loved and used by so many? Cautiously of course. The decisions made are very reasonable and there is still room for tweaking. There is also new room to move for the tight fits with the new tiericide of the meta modules.

Asking you to fly with one person is ridiculous yet gankers needing 25-40 BC pilots plus support ships to gank a freighter is not?


Red freight, the largest and most popular freight organisation in EVE is now a dubious organisation?


The two resists that matter are unchanged and with the addition of the faction and officer mods even better than before. Titans just got more tank, do you honestly think that was needed?

It should be 25-40 battlecruisers minimun to gank. Before it was like 20-30 destroyers, which is nothing. It got so easy to maintain ganking alts with the new skill extractor system. Keep in mind that a single pilot hauling his stuff looses billions of assets with the attacker having zero risk.

Talking about Red Frog: Watching their presentation at Fanfest 2015 gives a hint how one is able come up with some distorting numbers about ganking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LwbnDI2JE It gets really interesting when the guy from Red Freight talks about how their pilots are doing: http://snag.gy/06iNQ.jpg The hauling business not only sucks, even a big corporation like Red Frog who could afford the ressources to counter ganking are not doing that at all.