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+1 for this. As long as the Thukker array is exclusive to lowsec, the theoretical max refining rate should be higher in nullsec than in lowsec.

1/5th of a fail is still a fail. That's nothing to brag about. You could try making the jump clone system interesting, instead of shamelessly taxing people over it. That's a lazy solution to an imagined problem.

So will you be monitoring to see actually how many people move out of stations in high sec to citadels? Will we be getting updates after a certain amount of time as to how successful this idea was (other than raising prices across the board)?

Just curious as we are still waiting on other updates on features such as the jump fatigue blog that was promised a while ago.

Not trying to be salty here, but this is one change I honestly cannot support as it will only hurt the player base in the long run with higher prices.

Sorry to say, that is an emotional rant. That's probably because I still perceive Eve Online as more than just a bunch of pixels. Also I understand I may be wrong, but still this is what I think considering changes:


The planned tax-per-clone-jump simply kills my freedom to have several roles for one character.

After ~60kk SP it is possible to start training non-combat skills such as scanning or industry. As pilot has only one head, jump-cloning solves a problem of having different implants sets. Currently I have one clone with pvp implants: per+3 wil+3 cheap tracking and weapon damage implants, another is for mission running and two +4s, third contains blueprints research & copying implants and another clone is equipped with scanning hardwirings.
Planned expenses for frequent swapping clones shall be really inconvenient. Of course, I understand your big idea: if you want to try something new – go and buy another account. One toon equals one role.
But, hey, what about freedom to explore new professions and areas with a single toon?

Actually, this is simply removing sand from a sandbox.

Needless to say, hardening NPC station taxes is the attempt to eliminate small groups and solo play. I have no idea how instantly wardecced one man corps could afford and maintain their starbases. Big alliances are not skilled enough to compete with small corps for the market, so CCP kindly helps them to ruin solo and small corps industries. Newbs, go and press F1, trading and industry are for big guys only.

This bring me to a conclusion:
NPE is totally nerfed. Destroying EVElopedia is also a radical step to make new player life even harder. Now add to this newbie is to follow one strict path: only shoot things or only explore. The Science and Industry become restricted only to big entities due to taxation changes (as selling one's crafts and providing good ROI are really harder than just inventing and manufacturing things).

Just because Developers want players to pay for switching roles, this leads to the obvious:

Less sand in a sandbox, less players.


And, no, you cannot have my stuff. I'll simply extract scanning, science and industry skills from my toon to inject them into another toons on my account and leave one medical clone with cheap +3s. But I feel extremely disappointing. Eve Online advertisements are about freedom and variety, but reality tends to be right the opposite: game makers enforcing a robust model of character development and turning New Eden into one big jail, controlled by the rich guys. That's really sad.

Dear CCP Ytterbium,
would you, please, reconsider. Real sandbox game is to support a variety of playstyles and player's roles. The direction you force Eve Online to is make players joining huge alliances and specialize in one single role. No room for solo play and experimenting for a little costs. Is this the right direction?

At the 5mill / jump initially proposed, it would of taken over 240 jump to fund a single month of gametime to run an alt. This change does NOT push you toward training an alt AT ALL.

With the new proposed cost, it's over 1200 jumps to fund a single moth worth of training on a supposedly required alt to do different activity. That's over 3 years of daily jumps cost just to cover the first moth of what you call a required alt for a second carrer path.

I see exaggeration every day on this forum but DAMN this takes the cake. How many thousand jump worth of ISK will it cost you to train/buy that alt?

How much ISK worth of implant does your "young player" has in his head that is at risk of being blownup causing him a major loss but would warrant creating a jump clone (5 million ) + jumping out of it (5M or new 1M proposal) for a grand total of 6 or 10 million ISK.

This is too steep. Broker relations giving only a 20% reduction in fees and standings 10%, that is practically nothing. If you read back in this thread I have been supportive of the additional fees for marketing based under the current system of applying skills and standings. You've gone too far with this nerf though. I'd double the whole standing/skill part of the forumula as below:

So 5% brokers fee - ([Broker Relation skill level] * 0.4 + [Faction Standing level] * 0.06 + [Corp Standing level] * 0.04)

This still gives a total tax of ( 2% (broker fee) + 1.25% (transaction tax) = 3.25% (total) ) which is more than high enough.

I guess that's it then, CCP will push this through. I've been playing this game since 2009. Kinda sucks to end it this way, but ah well. (I contemplated giving away my stuff, but it'd take a day to gather everything so I'm not going to bother).

Adios, Eve.

Because if they don't add cost to NPC station, there is no way to make citadels useful without breaking other things. Why would you put so much at risk by anchoring a citadel if you can do everything it does in a free station? POS had/have advantage over station but the service offered by citadels are not the same so we can't just let everything the same. If citadels are supposed to ever be attractive market places, the market there will need to be better to justify the risk for anyone. The current tax rate is SOOOOOO low right now there is virtually no margin for CCP to make the citadels hence why they are nerfing station instead of making citadels even better over that. You can't make the tax rate better than practically nothing so they made the practically nothing part bigger so there is a window for citadels better. Same for the clones and other services offered by citadels with a station equivalent.

At some point, it has to go one way or another and you can't really make things better than so close to perfect so you go the other way.

Yes. Not a plenty of options.
But this still brings me to a question:
I am a solo player and I simply don't want to become another bee in a hive. Also I hardly can purchase and maintain a Citadel in a wardecced one-man corp. Why shall I start paying extra for MY playstyle?