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Excessive multiboxing deteriorate the gameplay

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Ben Zaye
Harakiri Cleaning services
#1 - 2016-03-09 01:21:00 UTC
1- First, sorry for my english, isn't my first language.
2- it's not a troll, it's a real problem and we need a solution.

The problem :

The "excessive multiboxing" deteriorate the gameplay of the other players who are playing reasonably and without excess.

For several months, ice belts in the high security area are invaded by players with more than 4 accounts(often 8 account = 1 Orca, 1 freighter, 6 mining barge). This excessive and wild mining done by these players (who pay their play time with "Plex") rotten the gameplay of all the other players that mine ice reasonably and normally. Most of these "multiboxer" will do mining 24/24 hour (this type of player does not sleep they are always connected lol)
Excessive mining done by "multiboxers" created an imbalance in the game for all other players that they are try to mining the ice reasonable and not excessive.

The Possible solutions :
- We must review access to the "Plex" because its price and ease of procuring have the effect of unbalancing the game. "Plex" is a reward and should not be so easy to find.
- It should also limit the number of subscriptions (account) that a player can control from an single PC.
- Ban the player if he use "isboxer" tool or other similar tool, because isn't fair for the honest player. (Anyway, a lot of multiboxer don't pay real money for playing EVE).
- For all zones (highsec, low, etc...) , create hidden icebelt that the player can discover with a scanner and probe. We need more ice!!!
- If the player use 3 accounts and more, force the multiboxer to create a player corpo (not NPC corpo). For wardec the multiboxer miner.

I play since 2007 and I think the game is deteriorated due to multiboxing. It's really boring for all players that they do not fall into excess. CCP should promote group play and not individual play of multiboxer.

Please fix this problem quickly.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-03-09 01:36:55 UTC
Nope.
Shurra Davaham
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-03-09 02:02:31 UTC
The only solution to that is to forbid multi-boxing all together. I've seen a mining operation run like this. Very simple solution: declare war on them. If you really want to inconvenience them do that. Either they'll dock for a week in fear, or you'll be able to make them lose some isk.

Also its not so easy to get. First you have to train all of your miners to be able to mine a decent amount. Then you have to be on, manage all of your accounts at the same time, moving ore, checking d-scan, moving characters from one rock to the next. It takes some doing.

Apart from that, I can guarantee that if CCP were to ban multi-boxing, the entire market would crash. There aren't that many people who really enjoy mining, and its not a thing that you do on just one account, unless you just want to be doing something inactive while you watch netflix or something. The few miners who really get into mining are the ones that provide all the minerals that we use. Remove them, you remove at least half of all the minerals available on the market.

As for "honest players" you can make a huge amount of isk doing lots of other things in game. You can just build things. Set up research, setup construction. Log on once a day for 30 minutes, make tons of isk. You can do station trading. If you're good you can make a plex a week. If you move things and are very active all the time, you can make even more. Especially if you also have research and production lines going.

You can do incursions. Tons of isk. All over the place.

Mining isn't something most people want to do, but everyone depends on them for literally everything in the game. The only thing we need miners to do is mine more and get out of high sec and into low or null so they can harvest more valuable resources.
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-03-09 02:25:30 UTC
Ben Zaye wrote:
The "excessive multiboxing" deteriorate the gameplay of the other players who are playing reasonably and without excess.

Your definition of "reasonable" is likely quite different from my definition. I don't find it unreasonable to be able to multi-box in EvE.

Ben Zaye wrote:
For several months, ice belts in the high security area are invaded by players with more than 4 accounts(often 8 account = 1 Orca, 1 freighter, 6 mining barge). This excessive and wild mining done by these players (who pay their play time with "Plex") rotten the gameplay of all the other players that mine ice reasonably and normally. Most of these "multiboxer" will do mining 24/24 hour (this type of player does not sleep they are always connected lol)
Excessive mining done by "multiboxers" created an imbalance in the game for all other players that they are try to mining the ice reasonable and not excessive.

Try going to ice belts a bit further away from trade hubs. I wander all over highsec, and I frequently find empty systems with ice anoms in them. Also, your lack of experience in mining is showing here, as you cannot mine ice 23.5 hours a day unless you're the only one mining the anom.

Ben Zaye wrote:
The Possible solutions :
- We must review access to the "Plex" because its price and ease of procuring have the effect of unbalancing the game. "Plex" is a reward and should not be so easy to find.
- It should also limit the number of subscriptions (account) that a player can control from an single PC.
- Ban the player if he use "isboxer" tool or other similar tool, because isn't fair for the honest player. (Anyway, a lot of multiboxer don't pay real money for playing EVE).
- For all zones (highsec, low, etc...) , create hidden icebelt that the player can discover with a scanner and probe. We need more ice!!!
- If the player use 3 accounts and more, force the multiboxer to create a player corpo (not NPC corpo). For wardec the multiboxer miner.

1. You misunderstand the reason PLEX exists. It is not a reward, it is a tool to combat selling isk for real money, aka RMT, and the scams/fraud that goes along with RMT.
2. There is no way for CCP to limit the number of clients players run from a single PC that a half-way intelligent person can't circumvent in less than 30s.
3. Using ISBoxer for input broadcasting is already a banable offense. If you suspect someone of using ISBoxer, report them. Keep in mind, however, that the other functions of ISBoxer are still allowed, just not the input broadcasting.
4. We don't need more ice. We need fewer lazy players that can't be bothered to move more than half a dozen jumps away from a trade hub.
5. Because only ice miners use 3 or more accounts? You need to stop focusing on how horrible you think some miners are and realize that changes effect far more than just your own narrow little slice of EvE.

Ben Zaye wrote:
I play since 2007 and I think the game is deteriorated due to multiboxing. It's really boring for all players that they do not fall into excess. CCP should promote group play and not individual play of multiboxer.

CCP's own released statistics, which I can't find right now (someone link please), something like 2/3 of all EvE players only have one account. Those players with 4+ accounts are a very small percentage of the playerbase. If you find that small percentage to be too much, you always have the option to contract me all your stuff and unsub.

Ben Zaye wrote:
Please fix this problem quickly.

There's no problem with the game here.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#5 - 2016-03-09 03:35:35 UTC
you seem to be implying that the people who pay with plex are bad for ccp because they dont use real money

in fact people playing with plex is better for ccp as they get more money. some one had to buy it and they cost more than a month subscription
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2016-03-09 05:19:45 UTC
There is no feature or idea here. This is just a rant against multi-boxing, which CCP has actively encouraged for years.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Ben Zaye
Harakiri Cleaning services
#7 - 2016-03-09 13:54:11 UTC
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Iain Cariaba wrote :
Your definition of "reasonable" is likely quite different from my definition. I don't find it unreasonable to be able to multi-box in EvE.

Reasonable for me is the CCP offer "The power of 2" not 4, not 5, not 8, not 9 (I saw 9) with an external tool (ex : isboxer)

Quote:
Iain Cariaba wrote :
Try going to ice belts a bit further away from trade hubs. I wander all over highsec, and I frequently find empty systems with ice anoms in them. Also, your lack of experience in mining is showing here, as you cannot mine ice 23.5 hours a day unless you're the only one mining the anom.

Why should I flee when a multiboxer moved into my system?
I would like to make wardec but for that should he and his alt be members of a player corporation. But most of the time this is not the case and I am not a ganker..
I respect the other player, but "excessive Multiboxer" not respect the other player.

Yes some "excessive multiboxer" mine 24/24. He come in icebelt, mine all the icebelt. dock ship and wait 4 hours and come again. Always the same pattern! pathetic!

Quote:
Iain Cariaba wrote :
1. You misunderstand the reason PLEX exists. It is not a reward, it is a tool to combat selling isk for real money, aka RMT, and the scams/fraud that goes along with RMT.
3. Using ISBoxer for input broadcasting is already a banable offense. If you suspect someone of using ISBoxer, report them. Keep in mind, however, that the other functions of ISBoxer are still allowed, just not the input broadcasting.
4. We don't need more ice......
5. .....You need to stop focusing on how horrible you think some miners are and realize that changes effect far more than just your own narrow little slice of EvE.

1- Maybe, I don't use plex. I prefer to pay 30,00 US by month for my 2 accounts (the power of 2).
2- I trust the CCP programmers to find a solution.
3- It's foolish to say that you should only use a part of a software. It's like saying to a child: I give you a gun and bullets but do not shoot with! hahaha ....
4- My suggestion is to have ice belts that appear randomly and are visible only when using the scanner with probe. CCP did it for the semi-rare ore. Why not do it for the ice ?
5- I only focus on those who do not respect the other players and use non fair tool.

Quote:
Iain Cariaba wrote :
.......Those players with 4+ accounts are a very small percentage of the playerbase. If you find that small percentage to be too much, you always have the option to contract me all your stuff and unsub.

This small percentage is growing it and a few months ago I would not have written this post.
And, no thanks' for your "help" suggestion.


Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#8 - 2016-03-09 13:59:40 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Ben Zaye wrote:
The "excessive multiboxing" deteriorate the gameplay of the other players who are playing reasonably and without excess.

Your definition of "reasonable" is likely quite different from my definition. I don't find it unreasonable to be able to multi-box in EvE.
Ben Zaye wrote:
Please fix this problem quickly.

There's no problem with the game here.

Sniping out everything in between these because you can read it above.
While I find myself in agreement with what is said here the OP still raised a valid point. The ability to run more than one character at a time means that having friends is less important than it could and maybe should be. Based on my personal experiences the use of multiple characters seems to be increasing as time goes by, I am not sure why but trust and having the players online to do what you want when you want probably plays a large role in that.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-03-09 14:24:52 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:

Sniping out everything in between these because you can read it above.
While I find myself in agreement with what is said here the OP still raised a valid point. The ability to run more than one character at a time means that having friends is less important than it could and maybe should be. Based on my personal experiences the use of multiple characters seems to be increasing as time goes by, I am not sure why but trust and having the players online to do what you want when you want probably plays a large role in that.


The alt situation mainly made it so some players have become self sufficient when the game was probably not though that way. Needing a scout to travel was probably though as you playing with a space friend but it turned out to logging your second account to accomplish that job for yourself. I don't think there really is a way to prevent this now unless the game was to change enough so that 2 brains are required to do stuff instead of merely 2 ship in space at the same time. Cynos are a great example of that. It was obviously designed to make cap operator cooperate with others but people found out most movement didn't require a player to be online but just a "dummy account" activating a module so you can jump.
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2016-03-09 14:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Ben Zaye wrote:
Reasonable for me is the CCP offer "The power of 2" not 4, not 5, not 8, not 9 (I saw 9) with an external tool (ex : isboxer)

I see nothing unreasonable about someone using as many accounts as they wish, due to the exponential increase in difficulty controlling multiple accounts.

Ben Zaye wrote:
Why should I flee when a multiboxer moved into my system?
I would like to make wardec but for that should he and his alt be members of a player corporation. But most of the time this is not the case and I am not a ganker..
I respect the other player, but "excessive Multiboxer" not respect the other player.

Your entire premise behind this whine thread is how you can't get any ice due to multi-boxers. It is quite simple to avoid multi-boxing ice miners, you simply move to where they are not. Not exactly rocket science to realize that New Eden is a big place.

Ben Zaye wrote:
Yes some "excessive multiboxer" mine 24/24. He come in icebelt, mine all the icebelt. dock ship and wait 4 hours and come again. Always the same pattern! pathetic!

This is the very definition of not ice mining 23.5/7. You see those large 4 hour blocks where they aren't mining? That's the time when, wait for it, they aren't mining. Shocked

Ben Zaye wrote:
1- Maybe, I don't use plex. I prefer to pay 30,00 US by month for my 2 accounts (the power of 2).
2- I trust the CCP programmers to find a solution.
3- It's foolish to say that you should only use a part of a software. It's like saying to a child: I give you a gun and bullets but do not shoot with! hahaha ....
4- My suggestion is to have ice belts that appear randomly and are visible only when using the scanner with probe. CCP did it for the semi-rare ore. Why not do it for the ice ?
5- I only focus on those who do not respect the other players and use non fair tool.

1. You using PLEX or not is irrelevant. You stated your assumption that PLEX was a reward. I pointed out the error in your logic. Personally, budget allowing, I pay US$40/mo for three of my accounts and PLEX the fourth when I need it active.
2. Read up on things like Virtual Machines or Virtual Private Networks. Those two by themselves make it virtually impossible for CCP to limit the number of active clients on any given machine. Add in tools like KVM switches and software like Synergy for Linux (which is a software KVM) and the only way to eliminate those would also eliminate literally everyone that uses a shared network. You don't seem to have the proper understanding of the technology involved to formulate a suggestion in this area.
3. How is it foolish, I guarantee you only use parts of software all the time. Even in EvE, you only use part of the program. For example, there's a whole section of the game, known as PvP, that you don't use at all, according to your killboard.
4. Let's see. A couple years ago, CCP removed ice and ore mining signatures, turning them into anomalies. As a 2007 player, you should have been aware of this bit of information. Also, as a 2007 player, you should also be aware of CCP's track record of reversing decisions they've made in the game.
5. Whoever told you that EvE is fair blatantly lied to you. EvE is not fair. As was once said by one of the Devs, "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." The faster you learn this, the better off you'll be.

Ben Zaye wrote:
This small percentage is growing it and a few months ago I would not have written this post.
And, no thanks' for your "help" suggestion.

Strange. I fly all over highsec, at all times of the day, and I don't see this increase in multi-boxing. I see many, many empty systems with ice just waiting for someone to come mine it, but I don't see this alleged increase you claim. Citation is required, as this directly goes against the last numbers CCP released.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2016-03-09 16:36:43 UTC
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