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Confused by character prices on the bazaar

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Chan'aar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-03-08 11:43:32 UTC
I have been watching the character bazaar for a while now as I have been looking at maybe selling a character or her skill points and I am puzzled by the values characters are selling for.

Perhaps my math is wrong but assuming a 100 million SP character if you were to buy the injectors from the market you would need 356 to get to 100 million SP which would cost you (roughly) 220 billion isk.

But currently characters are selling for around 650 isk per SP so that 100 million SP character would only cost you roughly 65 billion isk.

I guess I am just confused as to why characters are valued at what their SP are worth when stripped, rather than valued at the price it takes to get to their total SP?

Educate me MD
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#2 - 2016-03-08 12:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
I would assume very few characters have been created solely from injecting SP because it's more than twice as expensive as normal training when paying for an account with PLEX (which weren't always this expensive).

People selling characters often want the ISK as soon as possible and sell to resellers, who won't be paying an amount they can't quickly make a profit on.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#3 - 2016-03-08 12:37:39 UTC
Chan'aar wrote:
I guess I am just confused as to why characters are valued at what their SP are worth when stripped, rather than valued at the price it takes to get to their total SP?


Because what the SP is worth when stripped is how much it costs to get that SP, provided that you train it via the regular method. Give or take.
Chan'aar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-03-08 14:28:46 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Because what the SP is worth when stripped is how much it costs to get that SP, provided that you train it via the regular method. Give or take.



Ah, so the character prices are based on (cost of a PLEX / number of SP trained in 30 days)

That makes sense, although I would have thought the convenience of a ready to go character was worth something.

Thanks
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#5 - 2016-03-08 15:17:43 UTC
Characters used to be even cheaper back in my day, before we got those new-fangled skill extractors, I tell ya!
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#6 - 2016-03-08 16:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Badly trained characters, just a week or two before extractors were released, could be found selling for half of the amount that extracting them now would make you. I'm surprised injectors are still so high.

Edit: Characters trained in certain ways can still fetch a premium, as they always have.
Memphis Baas
#7 - 2016-03-08 18:09:00 UTC
First, it's not PLEX / 30 days, that's not the cheapest way to gain skillpoints. The cheapest way is a 1 year subscription at $11 / month, combined with a suitable attribute remap and +5 implants, for 2700 points per hr, 2 million SP per month.

Second, that's the value that the Character Bazaar resellers place on characters; you can place a higher value if you want, and simply refuse to sell to the lowball offers. Or if you're buying, offer more.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#8 - 2016-03-08 21:26:04 UTC
Chan'aar wrote:
I guess I am just confused as to why characters are valued at what their SP are worth when stripped, rather than valued at the price it takes to get to their total SP?


What their SP would be worth when stripped establishes a minimum value for the character - the character is always "worth" that because you could liquidate them into that much money. Conversely, a character on the bazaar will never fetch the total injection price for their SP because if you had that amount of money you could put the SP exactly where you wanted them (and avoid any stupid names and unfortunate history, to say nothing of it being much easier to buy injectors than to keep checking the bazaar for a character with the skillset you want).

My guess - emphasise "guess" - is that injectors have rather cut the knees off demand in the character bazaar. Right now there's an oversupply as people with characters to sell are trying to get at least a bit more cash for them than stripping and biomassing them would, but most of the demand is off buying injectors.

Relatively low SP characters aren't that viable to sell via the bazaar because of the transfer fee - might as well strip the SP. Very high SP characters will almost certainly have a lot of SP the buyer doesn't care about. There might, in future, be a "sweet spot" for characters whose SP are entirely relevant to one in-game activity who can fetch higher prices per SP on the character bazaar - but right now the entire SP market is flailing about too much.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-03-08 21:34:55 UTC
Chan'aar wrote:
I have been watching the character bazaar for a while now as I have been looking at maybe selling a character or her skill points and I am puzzled by the values characters are selling for.

Perhaps my math is wrong but assuming a 100 million SP character if you were to buy the injectors from the market you would need 356 to get to 100 million SP which would cost you (roughly) 220 billion isk.

But currently characters are selling for around 650 isk per SP so that 100 million SP character would only cost you roughly 65 billion isk.

I guess I am just confused as to why characters are valued at what their SP are worth when stripped, rather than valued at the price it takes to get to their total SP?

Educate me MD


Let me see, based on current market prices.

A 100 million SP character has 95 million SP that can be extracted (at least I think the lower SP bound is 5 million for extracting).

So that means you could fill 190 extractors.
Those extractors will cost you about 51 million ISK.
The full injectors you can sell for about 119 million ISK.
Leaving you a profit of about 68 million ISK.

Nope, that 65 million ISK price looks good to me.

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