These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Inconsistencies
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Dyaven
#1 - 2012-01-12 00:55:54 UTC
I never thought about this until someone pointed it out in another thread.

Why do Gallente Assault Frigates use the Incrusus model over the Tristan model? The Tristan is the highest tier of Gallente Frigate, and for every other race their AFs are based on their corresponding highest tier frigate; Rifter for Minmatar, Merlin for Caldari, Punisher for Amarr.
A while back, I think around the time Electronic Attack Frigates came out, or maybe it was when the Magnate was released, the Helios's Maulus hull was replaced with the Imicus hull. So clearly someone at CCP cares about this consistency.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-01-12 01:29:17 UTC
Because of turrets or did you want mixed weapon assault frigs?
Dyaven
#3 - 2012-01-12 01:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyaven
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Because of turrets or did you want mixed weapon assault frigs?


Merlin and Harpy/Hawk negates this arguement.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#4 - 2012-01-12 02:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Someone has apparently not noticed that each race has TWO tier 3 frigates.

The Incursus is Tier 3, just like the Tristan. I see no problem here.


On that note, the Kestrel, Breacher, and Inquisitor are also Tier 3.

thhief ghabmoef
Dyaven
#5 - 2012-01-12 02:32:39 UTC
Incursus: 8 Module Slots
Breacher: 8 Module Slots
Kestrel: 9 Module Slots
Inquisitor: 9 Module Slots

Tristan: 10 Module Slots
Rifter: 10 Module Slots
Merlin: 10 Module Slots
Punisher: 10 Module Slots

There's a definite disconnect between these two sets of frigates.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#6 - 2012-01-12 05:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Module slots are not everything, sir. The incursus is more popular than the tristan in pvp, by far, due to having a third bonused turret, vs the tristan's two unbonused launcher slots. The kestrel is also nice, having four bonused launchers....and a 10% per level bonus, at that.

Breacher and Inquisitor do need some love, though. Sad

thhief ghabmoef
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#7 - 2012-01-12 05:53:31 UTC
Tristan is the only Gallente frigg with multiple missles points so It kind of had to be the SB.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Dyaven
#8 - 2012-01-12 05:53:31 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Module slots are not everything, sir. The incursus is more popular than the tristan in pvp, by far, due to having a third bonused turret, vs the tristan's two unbonused launcher slots. The kestrel is also nice, having four bonused launchers....and a 10% per level bonus, at that.

Breacher and Inquisitor do need some love, though. Sad


As far as ships usefulness in practice, this is true, but ships are typically tiered by module slots available. This is true for all Tech 1 ships from Frigate to Battleships. Of course, just because the Hyperion has more slots than the Megathron doesn't make it better, but the same is true in many cases as you have pointed out. (The only place is really firmly holds true is that all Tier 2 BCs are pretty undeniably better than Tier 1 BCs, however Tier 3 BCs are pretty specialized and thus don't really fit into this rule; nor do they fit into CCP's normal "tier" system.)
ANYWHO. The point is. Tristan, Rifter, Harpy, and Punisher are undeniably in a group together, whether it be tier 3 frigates or tier 4 frigates or tier 3.5 frigates or what have you. The Assault Frigates for every race except Gallente follow this pattern.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-01-12 14:02:18 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
Incursus: 8 Module Slots
Breacher: 8 Module Slots
Kestrel: 9 Module Slots
Inquisitor: 9 Module Slots

Tristan: 10 Module Slots
Rifter: 10 Module Slots
Merlin: 10 Module Slots
Punisher: 10 Module Slots

There's a definite disconnect between these two sets of frigates.

The Incursus is short slots due to its drone bay, I reckon. (The other tier3 combat frigs lack one.)
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#10 - 2012-01-12 14:11:39 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Because of turrets or did you want mixed weapon assault frigs?


Ishkur is mixed weapon... (Drones / Turret)

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-01-12 16:02:08 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Dyaven wrote:
Incursus: 8 Module Slots
Breacher: 8 Module Slots
Kestrel: 9 Module Slots
Inquisitor: 9 Module Slots

Tristan: 10 Module Slots
Rifter: 10 Module Slots
Merlin: 10 Module Slots
Punisher: 10 Module Slots

There's a definite disconnect between these two sets of frigates.

The Incursus is short slots due to its drone bay, I reckon. (The other tier3 combat frigs lack one.)


Even though the Incursus, breacher, kestren and inquisitor all require frigate lvl 3 I wouldn't call them tier 3 frigates, I like to see it as atron = tier 1, incursus = tier 2 and tristan = tier 3, by looking at slots, pg and cpu and not just the skill reqs.
or the tristan is actually tier 4 but CCP decided not to increase the prerequisites for it for some reason.