EVE General Discussion

Okay, I'll bite.

What on earth are you talking about.

As said before.

Sure it balances both evenly, but if you read the post you would've saw that I wasn't saying it will unbalanced things.

I said it makes the style of playing for a Highsec wardeccer unbelievably tedious and completely worthless to actually try and be active in your decs by hunting down targets. It kills entirely that style of play.

Making a part of your game, even more tedious than it already is. Is not good game design. I've said before, this change makes sense for the nullblocs.


It however does not for Highsec and Wormhole space.


For the defender. It removes all knowledge on how they can react. If they don't know if Wartargets are online they will just stay docked up for the week.

Some already do with current watchlist. This will only amplify this,

For highsec it's not a good idea.

This change strikes me as "5% asked, so 95% were f*cked".

Personally, now I will have exactly zero chances to learn when/if old friends are back to the game. But some 5% needed this change so bad, right?

In a perfect world, this feature would be implemented as a "hide online status from non-buddies" switch, rather than this ret*rded "hide status to everyone but buddies".

Same result, very different collateral damage.

But, !!CCP!!

The arguments that people make to keep the watchlist are exactly my reasons why it is best to remove it.

Wardeccers chose to pick on highsec players as it's pvp on super easy mode, tell your friend to get into a good null sec corp he'll be much safer there once he learns how to move around.

For the pvp side of Eve I feel it's being nerfed too much, life in New Eden is much easier for low SP players than it was back in my day, plus you can pay to win now so there is no excuse for not having the skillpoints needed to run a good tank.

That's about the only reason why I'll miss the watch list.

Tbh if you weren't in contact that much before why would it matter now?

It's like people telling me they use facebook to stay in touch with their friends from school aka people not interesting enough to meet for a beer at the local watering hole but interesting enough to Like their random quips and photos.

Originally local in nullsec becomes sov-holders only. Information advantage to the people holding the space. Local in empire/lowsec is fine although if you wanted to make the case that local degrades in lowsec (ie names disappear if they stay in system a long time/dont talk for a while) then I could see that argument and probably throw my +1 at it.

PVPers talk like its hard to find **** to shoot at but really if we're totally honest this game practically spoon feeds the hunter information. If GFC could be scanned down bet your ass that zkill would light up with 500k of those on day 1 too.

I would like to start off by thanking CCP for sending me in a different direction from what I thought I would go. After starting this game two and a half years ago, I have pretty much done everything in game in one way or another. But the one 'job' I absolutely loved doing was high security wardeccing, which I mostly did solo. I thoroughly enjoyed hunting down my war targets and engaging them in glorious combat. I won most of them but have suffered defeat...and loved it. And even my war targets learned a thing or two on what I taught them after the war was over, like putting your enemy corporation members on a watch list (from Evewho) and to pay attention to it at all times.

The two integral parts to my profession was the watch list and the locater agent. The third part was using neutral alts, but I mostly distained the use of them. To me, personally, it wasn't really solo. I did use a neutral alt to take out a Skiff but that was pretty much the only kill I used a neutral alt in. The thrill of coming into local and seeing them there, gauging where they possibly might be and get the jump on them before they realize I was there was intoxicating. But I knew my war targets could have the same access and I had to be a bit more careful while in pursuit. Most of the time, I was outnumbered but that did not matter to me whatsoever.

But with the new change coming, that part of my Eve career is over. I don't find hub camping all that thrilling, and gate camping is the way to see if they are online when they show up in local. I personally don't like the change at all, but since CCP is going forward with it, then it is time to move towards another direction. I made no isk whatsoever on my high security wars and that did not matter to me at all. It was my personal isk sink...

Seeing the change coming, I bitterly decided to hang up my small guns and go into wormholes again. It doesn't provide the same thrill that I had hunting down my moving war targets, but I am back with a corporation I love to fly with. I am hoping that this will renew my love of this game. I have invested so much time and effort into Morgan that I cannot think of just giving it up. Hell, I am even writing her background as a story to keep myself immersed in Eve Online. Sadly, my stories in the Pirate thread in Crime and Punishment has to come to an end since I am no longer doing that anymore. But I will keep pushing and see what is ahead...


Morgan o/

I agree that the watchlist is free Intel but it's only letting me know if I'm going to actually play Eve today. If I log on and there are no wartargets online then I'm going to go play a different game because I don't have any content today. It's not like the watchlist tells you what system or region of space someone is in. You still have to run locates, send an alt, get eyes on them and still that doesn't guarantee a fight. It all starts with knowing if anyone is online. If that's gone then what's the point of logging in? Let's see I have 600-1000 wartargets. Let me start running locates on someone that may or may not be online send eyes 30 jumps only to not know if the person moved or never was online. I'd almost rather gatecamp lowsec and just kill everything that comes in but CCP will probably do away with that soon too since someone in c&p is crying about that.

The other side is that people on the receiving end of wardecs also use watchlists to make sure no one is hunting them while they are afk mining, running missions\ sites and hauling their crap to hubs. Not all high sec mercs hub camp and sit in the pipe all day. Some mercs look down at that because we like the thrill of the hunt.


Sorry for the rant. Just my $.02