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SO where is the black ops buff?
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#121 - 2012-01-11 16:25:20 UTC
Walker Ahashion wrote:
Does a black ops fleet that jumps in, jump back out again after the fight? Or do they have to travel through the gates to get back to where they came from?

Depends on how much fuel they have and how far there going I would guess.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#122 - 2012-01-11 17:34:22 UTC
Walker Ahashion wrote:
Does a black ops fleet that jumps in, jump back out again after the fight? Or do they have to travel through the gates to get back to where they came from?


I cyno mine back, personally.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Biced
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2012-01-11 18:46:26 UTC
Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
So what your saying is my widow SHOULD get a range and ecm and ecm burst bounus? ok!
Also lots of the pie ships now have one of there races ewar as a bounus, so what they weren't like that the hole time, they should change back.


they mainly changed the bonus to the weapon systems.

Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
Its should be clear to all that the Black Op is still in prenerf form like how lots of stuff usta be release in the olde times of EvE.
The other members of its tree have better resist and higher scan rez than there T1 counter parts.


the first part is new to me if you have a link to a dev saying they release ships in a prenerfed mode i would like to read it.
i can not understand anything for prenerf and on sorry.

Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
Also only HAC's, AF's always keep there T1 bonuses, the rest get a change up, that or just my logi in my hanger is missing its sweet mining bonus.


told you go check it out, but no....
launch eve. open market and look at the t2 ships, as i said there are some exceptions.

Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
Just because recons can already use it dose not mean more or different types of Ewar in the fleet would be bad, never had my Falcon turned down form a fleet because there was a Lachesis or an other Falcon for that matter.


never had a falcon turned down sure that ship can pretty much fit in any fleet comp. (though i know one fc that turned down a falcon on a frig roam and told the guys to bring kitsune)
but how about a rook? or better yet how about a scorp?
the only bs size ew platform in game is the scorp and lets face it, it is not that great, you would rather be in a falcon then a scorp in most cases. and for that same reason you wouldnt want black ops to replace your ew in gang.
not saying that it will hurt having it there or anything like that. just saying that there are dedicated ships for that, which will outpreform them in most cases while costing way less and requier less training.

Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:
You are the troll here.


and this combined with everything else you have posted clearly means you did not undestand anything of what i have said.
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#124 - 2012-01-11 19:50:18 UTC
Murtific wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing quite as useful as an ECM boat with 90mm scan res. Roll



Definitely have to go with a faction cloak bud.. Shocked


That IS with a faction cloak. Although, it's not like it matters. The difference between Faction and T2 is like 91mm vs 96mm. Woop-de-do.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#125 - 2012-01-11 19:57:03 UTC
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Murtific wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing quite as useful as an ECM boat with 90mm scan res. Roll



Definitely have to go with a faction cloak bud.. Shocked


That IS with a faction cloak. Although, it's not like it matters. The difference between Faction and T2 is like 91mm vs 96mm. Woop-de-do.


Don't fit a cloak. I'm serious. It gimps the fit and takes a utility high that has better uses.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#126 - 2012-01-12 00:10:11 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Murtific wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing quite as useful as an ECM boat with 90mm scan res. Roll



Definitely have to go with a faction cloak bud.. Shocked


That IS with a faction cloak. Although, it's not like it matters. The difference between Faction and T2 is like 91mm vs 96mm. Woop-de-do.


Don't fit a cloak. I'm serious. It gimps the fit and takes a utility high that has better uses.

-Liang


Without a cloak, a Scorpion is a whole entire hull with a better use than a Widow.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#127 - 2012-01-12 00:14:31 UTC
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Murtific wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing quite as useful as an ECM boat with 90mm scan res. Roll



Definitely have to go with a faction cloak bud.. Shocked


That IS with a faction cloak. Although, it's not like it matters. The difference between Faction and T2 is like 91mm vs 96mm. Woop-de-do.


Don't fit a cloak. I'm serious. It gimps the fit and takes a utility high that has better uses.

-Liang


Without a cloak, a Scorpion is a whole entire hull with a better use than a Widow.


The Scorpion has a jump drive and a 30% ECM strength bonus? Really?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Murtific
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#128 - 2012-01-12 05:15:19 UTC
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Murtific wrote:
Guillame Herschel wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing quite as useful as an ECM boat with 90mm scan res. Roll



Definitely have to go with a faction cloak bud.. Shocked


That IS with a faction cloak. Although, it's not like it matters. The difference between Faction and T2 is like 91mm vs 96mm. Woop-de-do.


Quite literally depending upon ship type and fitting. I know for a fact its higher. Pirate
Time Hunt
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-01-17 18:12:02 UTC
I'm just gonna keep bumping this until I get a Reply from a DEV! Twisted
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-01-17 18:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Time Hunt wrote:
I'm just gonna keep bumping this until I get a Reply from a DEV! Twisted


never gonna happen. much like ccp will not touch the subject of perma cloak. And i fear you are likelly to go old and die before this happens
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#131 - 2012-01-18 01:22:36 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Scorpion has a jump drive and a 30% ECM strength bonus? Really?

-Liang


If you are using the Widow as a Covert Bridge, no one cares how low the scan res is. Fit a cloak so it doesn't get killed so easily.

If you are using it as a ECM platform, why? Even without a cloak, it has terrible scan res, just like all battleship EWAR platforms. Bridge in 3 Falcons. Way more effective. Three Falcons can probably out-DPS a Widow, too.

The Widow should get the ECM Burst range bonus. That's the only change I can think of that would make it worthwhile to fit anything but a cloak and a bridge to a Widow (not counting epeen value of having Widow on KM, which is of course, priceless for some and a waste of time for others).
Cyzlaki
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#132 - 2012-01-18 01:25:49 UTC
Black ops dont need buffing. They fille a niche playstyle and if that doesnt appeal to you, dont fly it
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#133 - 2012-01-18 05:09:46 UTC
Jack Sparroxx wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
SMT008 wrote:

You never flew a Black ops, right ? Roll

.....it cost a sh*t ton + recquires quite a lot of skills. ....

the same was spoken many times about supercarriers.... they got nerfed....
would not hope this pray will help to blackops......


black ops are not solo pwn ships, supers currently are... black ops are horrible broken. Unfortualy we always have forum trolls saying all black op are so awesome as the redeemer, witch might be the only correct functioning one (not including jump stuffs)


This man speaks the truth.

Though I did swap my redeemer out for a shield tanked panther. Can pretty much out run anything but the usual angel/minie nano stuff.

I think most of the people saying B-ops are OP, are those that gets greifed by them, aka people that want afk cloaking and the like nerfed so they can rat/mine in peace in null sec. With other words the usual turds that run away at the first sign of trouble.


Seconded, except that that's not griefing, that's 100% legitimate game-play. Not that griefing these nullsec carebear-turds is a bad thing, eitherTwisted

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Gabriel Karade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#134 - 2012-01-18 21:16:08 UTC
Reduce build cost by 1/3 , tweak jump range upwards.

Job done.

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#135 - 2012-01-19 17:55:08 UTC
Came in expecting a heated / flaming BO debate...left after it became a Burn Eden knob polishing fest.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka
Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-01-20 03:14:19 UTC
Cyzlaki wrote:
Black ops dont need buffing. They fille a niche playstyle and if that doesnt appeal to you, dont fly it


I know that you guys really do the black ops thing effectively and with dedication, cuz I've seen y'all do it, but even so you have to admit that black ops have problems. If nothing else they need way better range and fuel usage, or at the very least it would be nice.

And given just how common titans are nowerdays and how much better the regular bridge is... It's just painful to deal with the restrictions on black ops portals. It takes a lot of dedication to use black ops bridges effectively, and even if you do use it effectively, most of the time you would have been better off using a conventional gang. Everything you portal is so fragile that even with huge amounts of ewar, there's a fair chance of losing a few ships unless you are pouncing onto solo guys. And even if you ARE jumping on single people, needing a tackler and a cyno on top of him ups the effort needed by quite a lot.

Everything about black ops ships just needs so much effort to make them work, and the results are seldom spectacular. The only genuinely effective uses for black ops is gate-crashing a fleet fight in a cyno-jammed system, and tbh any other way of getting bombers in is just as effective.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#137 - 2012-01-20 07:20:18 UTC
black ops are sexy. mini titans jumping fleets. i just want my mini doomsday ccp!
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#138 - 2012-01-20 19:58:58 UTC
black ops are so cloaky that ,ccp cant find their stats in the build to fix them :O
Time Hunt
Perkone
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-02-11 00:31:29 UTC
as i've said, i'm just gonna keep bumping this until something happens...

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2Quad
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-02-11 17:14:41 UTC
I wouldn't mind hearing from ccp on this either, at least just a bit of communication on the subject.