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If you are a space trader, will you consign your valuable assets for sale in a space building that is constantly at risk of being blocked from access, being expelled, being reinforced, being destructed and subject to change of pricing at the mercy of owner? Are you serious? Merging market hub into Citadel is a bad idea.

The downside of market hub in Citadel is too much to be compensated by a few percentage of fees. The possible risk and hassle against the small gain is not worth the effort to use it. A space full of empty Citadel is not what we want. So, instead of creating arbitrary "competitive advantage" for Citadel, market hub should be removed from it. Market hub should remain in NPC station and no need to raise sales tax and broker fee to give a buff to Citadel. Citadel can be a death star, an industrial port, an invention laboratory, a mining base, an intelligence centre or a propaganda monument, but not a market hub.

I'm just wondering why CCP is so damn eager to force traders into citadels.

An EVE trader is faced with two choices:

- train Broker Relations to V and grind NPC faction and corporation standings to the max. It'll be the new Material Efficiency V.
- face the uncertainty of trading in a citadel that can be ganked, dismantled, taxes hiked and docking rights arbitrarily revoked.
- play another game where inconvenience ISN'T a "game feature"

i thought standings were no longer going to effect it


also the point is there is now an option other than npc so npc needs to be rebalanced

You're presuming that a citadel owner will publicly tax 0%, which won't be the case, just like there aren't any POCOs that publicly tax 0%. It's not gonna happen. IF a trader can reduce their NPC broker tax to say 2%, a citadel owner will try to get away with charging 1.99% tax. The only way to get 0% tax is if you're friendly with the citadel owner. Since the null sec blocs are best positioned to deploy citadels, a trader or industrialist has no choice but to grovel to one of these blocs. Basically, to enjoy the same game as it was pre-citadel, you'll need to obtain another person's permission AND keep it for the rest of your Eve life. F that.

It's not like current nullsec station owners don't already do half of that.

The last time a trade hub was born in EVE, the alternate marketplace was in the depth of nullsec space and as much as 60+ jumps away from some regions of space. Thus one player looked for an alternate place... conveniently near the borders of the Empires, and near enoguh of the center of the (newly established) second layout of the gates network.

The place chosen was a system with heavy Caldari Navy presence. One of the stations had a easy name -the station on the fourth moon on the fourth planet of system Jita.

That player seeded that station and others began doing the same; soon it was the largest marketplace in the game and thus the best chance to find what a buyer was looking for and the best chance to find a buyer for what a seller was selling.

10 years later, Jita 4-4 still is the best place to meet sellers and buyers. Inconvenience them enough and they will quit the game for lack of a viable marketplace. Do anything your own and the more you succeed the sooner someone is going to burn your little stall...

If you can't do it on your own, and your friends won't do it with you, and won't join a group that will, and then you sit around and whine about it, you are the only one who looks silly.

And I was basing my numbers off CCP 5-6% broker fee number, *.75 for max Broker Relations skill = 3.75-4.5%. I can very easily see a player Citadel running with either 1 or .5% broker fee's, and that is not modified by the Broker skill.

So that would be 2.75% - 4% decrease compared NPC station, assuming a .5%-1% broker fee on the player Citadel and a 5%-6% broker fee on NPC stations, modified by skill.

So my bad, I should have said "Remember, if I have 2.75%-4% lower broker fee's at a Citadel as opposed to Jita 4-4, and 10 bil in market movement a day, that's 275 mil to 400 mil a day in fee's I'm not paying compared to NPC"

That's still a lot of money.

Um, how about me enjoying a game feature that's existed since Eve's inception? This is like buffing NPC rats by 500% to encourage mission runners to do PVP. Those people would quit rather than be forced to do something they don't enjoy.

Citadels will also be in direct competition which each other in a way that POCOs really aren't. If your broker fees aren't a bargain compared to NPC stations, people will move elsewhere.

Do smaller groups use those NPC stations as bases to raid out of?

More of them might even mean more raiding, which means more conflict, less stasis and stagnation...more content.