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Perfect Miner - Is This List Still Valid ?
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NUMSTER
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-03-03 13:42:09 UTC
Main Skills:
Mining V ---- + 25% to yield
Astrogeology V ---- + 25% to yield
Mining Barge V ---- + 15% to yield of barges and exhumers
Exhumer V ---- + 15% to yield of exhumers
Mining Foreman V ---- + 10% to yield must be in squadron
Drone Interfacing V ---- +100% to yield of mining drones
Mining Drone Operation V ---- + 25% to yield of mining drones

Skills For Items: (not listing all skills needed)
Mining Crystals II ---- +16,17% (T2) to yield compared to T1 strips - usually skill level 4
Mining Laser Upgrades II ----- +5% to yield per MLU

Implants:
HX-1 Highwall ---- (slot 10) + 5% to yield
Michi Excavation ---- (slot 7) + 5% to yield


Is this still the standard? Did I miss anything ?

Thanks in advance for any help !!!!

Fly Safe
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2016-03-03 13:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Except boosts there's everything, maybe you could add the rigs for the mining drones, although the CPU drawback is nasty on a mining ship.

Besides, drone interfacing gives at V 50% of yield and damage, not 100%.

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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2016-03-03 14:33:24 UTC
The only perfect miner is a dead one. Twisted

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Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2016-03-03 14:38:41 UTC
NUMSTER wrote:
Main Skills:
Mining V ---- + 25% to yield
Astrogeology V ---- + 25% to yield
Mining Barge V ---- + 15% to yield of barges and exhumers
Exhumer V ---- + 15% to yield of exhumers
Mining Foreman V ---- + 10% to yield must be in squadron
Drone Interfacing V ---- +100% to yield of mining drones
Mining Drone Operation V ---- + 25% to yield of mining drones

Skills For Items: (not listing all skills needed)
Mining Crystals II ---- +16,17% (T2) to yield compared to T1 strips - usually skill level 4
Mining Laser Upgrades II ----- +5% to yield per MLU

Implants:
HX-1 Highwall ---- (slot 10) + 5% to yield
Michi Excavation ---- (slot 7) + 5% to yield


Is this still the standard? Did I miss anything ?

Thanks in advance for any help !!!!

Fly Safe

Depends on what system you habitually mine in. Please tell us so we can let you know if your skill plan is correct. Twisted
Yarosara Ruil
#5 - 2016-03-03 14:45:13 UTC
Fly a Procurer or don't even bother.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#6 - 2016-03-03 16:38:13 UTC
The list lacks the mining permit you will require to mine in New Order territory (Highsec).

Evil RatKid
Gliese Casserres
Confused Bunnies Inc
#7 - 2016-03-03 17:03:11 UTC
Perfect miner is 0 SP in mining. Stop min-maxing something that has no future in it.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2016-03-03 17:08:01 UTC
You can't be a perfect race car driver without the car.

By the same token, you can't be a perfect miner if you have no ship. And you won't have one for long if you don't add some tanking skills to that list.

Mr Epeen Cool
ZZWolf47
#9 - 2016-03-03 17:27:19 UTC
NUMSTER wrote:
Main Skills:
Mining V ---- + 25% to yield
Astrogeology V ---- + 25% to yield
Mining Barge V ---- + 15% to yield of barges and exhumers
Exhumer V ---- + 15% to yield of exhumers
Mining Foreman V ---- + 10% to yield must be in squadron
Drone Interfacing V ---- +100% to yield of mining drones
Mining Drone Operation V ---- + 25% to yield of mining drones

Skills For Items: (not listing all skills needed)
Mining Crystals II ---- +16,17% (T2) to yield compared to T1 strips - usually skill level 4
Mining Laser Upgrades II ----- +5% to yield per MLU

Implants:
HX-1 Highwall ---- (slot 10) + 5% to yield
Michi Excavation ---- (slot 7) + 5% to yield


Is this still the standard? Did I miss anything ?

Thanks in advance for any help !!!!

Fly Safe


I have noticed in one of the patches the mining drones do not get any bonuses from the drone skill(s)listed above... they also do not show bonuses inside drone bay or outside drone bay...
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#10 - 2016-03-03 18:37:08 UTC
PERFECT MINER:





Right click, "buy"

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Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-03-03 18:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarrchecko
ZZWolf47 wrote:
NUMSTER wrote:
Main Skills:
Mining V ---- + 25% to yield
Astrogeology V ---- + 25% to yield
Mining Barge V ---- + 15% to yield of barges and exhumers
Exhumer V ---- + 15% to yield of exhumers
Mining Foreman V ---- + 10% to yield must be in squadron
Drone Interfacing V ---- +100% to yield of mining drones
Mining Drone Operation V ---- + 25% to yield of mining drones

Skills For Items: (not listing all skills needed)
Mining Crystals II ---- +16,17% (T2) to yield compared to T1 strips - usually skill level 4
Mining Laser Upgrades II ----- +5% to yield per MLU

Implants:
HX-1 Highwall ---- (slot 10) + 5% to yield
Michi Excavation ---- (slot 7) + 5% to yield


Is this still the standard? Did I miss anything ?

Thanks in advance for any help !!!!

Fly Safe


I have noticed in one of the patches the mining drones do not get any bonuses from the drone skill(s)listed above... they also do not show bonuses inside drone bay or outside drone bay...


They do get bonuses from mining drone operation and drone interfacing. Interfacing is only +10% per level now.

Mining barge and exhumers skills give reduction in cycle time, which isn't the same as a yield bonus. Also, the amount of the bonus is different depending on which barge/Exhumer you're in.

Mining laser upgrades gives reduction in CPU cost to the modules, not yield bonus.

There are implants and rigs for ice and mercoxit you didn't list.

Boosts are a thing but they aren't strictly part of the miner itself.
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#12 - 2016-03-03 19:22:39 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:

Mining laser upgrades gives reduction in CPU cost to the modules, not yield bonus.


Huh, MLU do give more yield, BUT they make each strip miner cost more CPU .

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Pix Severus
Empty You
#13 - 2016-03-03 19:27:11 UTC
I notice a distinct lack of tanking skills in that list.

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#14 - 2016-03-03 19:52:14 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
I notice a distinct lack of tanking skills in that list.


Totally useless on a retriever, Covetor or Hulk, and somewhat useless on the Mackinaw.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”
Yarosara Ruil
#15 - 2016-03-03 20:40:05 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
Totally useless on a retriever, Covetor or Hulk, and somewhat useless on the Mackinaw.


And on that note, you don't need Mining Lasers when you're fitting Reinforced Bulkheads on your Low Slots, so you can scratch that skill from the list.

Yield is overrated anyways.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-03-03 21:33:13 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
Amarrchecko wrote:

Mining laser upgrades gives reduction in CPU cost to the modules, not yield bonus.


Huh, MLU do give more yield, BUT they make each strip miner cost more CPU .


He and I were both talking about the skill, not the item.
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2016-03-03 21:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarrchecko
Gankers must be behind on their quotas to be in here trolling people with tank fit ideas. All the real miners know avoiding the gankers, not tanking your ship, is how to avoid 95% of ganks
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#18 - 2016-03-03 22:08:50 UTC
Amarrchecko wrote:
Gankers must be behind on their quotas to be in here trolling people with tank fit ideas. All the real miners know avoiding the gankers, not tanking your ship, is how to avoid 95% of ganks




...which 95% of them will not now, or ever, know or implement.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#19 - 2016-03-04 02:23:33 UTC
Drones Rigging 5 for mining drone yield and CPU penalty reduction.

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#20 - 2016-03-04 03:30:40 UTC
Don't even bother bro. Long ago, people used to choose mining as a profession. They were usually the math/tech guys who enjoyed the challenge of trying to quantifiable maximize every possible factor in some nebulous equation of Seconds ingame:ISK yield. Including time spent hauling or selling on local spot market. Or contracting the hauling of a giant load of mins vs. training upr for and investing in a mega hauler, and flying it to hub. And the risk vs. benefit considerations of low sec/WH mining.

It used to be a profession for a certain type of mathematical-logical oriented kind of guy. Of course, if you made too many bad decisions along the way, you could find yourself bankrupt. Or at least in a setback, of your own fault.

Today: Miner is a n00b (and mostly is a new-ish player). Target, bottom of the inflatable balls pecking order, "isk farmer," "should have known better," etc. I wouldn't bother OP. Wait, not right-- if you want to do that, a lot of the miner optimizing challenges are probably still available in null Sov space.
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