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Tips for a Newbro Black Ops Pilot
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Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
#1 - 2016-03-01 07:18:59 UTC
Hello Space Friends! o/

I am an aspiring Solo BlOps pilot (+1 covert cyno/bait/alt), my JDC 5 will be popping this week and hopefully be able to start my operations next week. i already did some preps like scouting, bookmarking and generally intel gathering of the space i want to play around but still there's alot of info that i need to know. i also watched some of Gulnar's and MaSL's vids and theyr're awesome. so i hope some of you would give me some good advices and i thank you all in advance.

1. is a force recon too obvious for a covert cyno/bait?
2. do you usually consider your bait to die?
3. what is preferred, active tank or buffer for both bait and blop ship? can you give some Sin fits? (please for starters and relatively cheap 2B max, not like Gulnar's/MaSL's 7B.)

That's all for now.

Thank you again.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#2 - 2016-03-01 14:35:36 UTC
Solo Black Ops is a thing?
Raya Efiel
Thera 344
#3 - 2016-03-01 15:32:13 UTC
This:

Estella Osoka wrote:
Solo Black Ops is a thing?



1. bait? A better bait I'd think would be a BR (blockade runner) as they can fit cov cynos, and people will probably try to kill them if they can catch one.

2. Depends on what you are tackling and what the cyno ship is. A Falcon is unlikely to die, while a Prospect probably will. I've never seen bait used in BLOPS stuff before, so I'm not sure how long a BR would last.

3. No tank? Your tank is not being on grid/in system. If you commit, you should be ready to kill super fast and get out just as quickly.

I believe Linus Gorp flies Sins reasonably often. He might be a good person to ask about fits and suggestions.

Good hunting,

~Raya
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-03-01 21:42:34 UTC
A BLOPS battleship can jump to, or bridge selected other (covert cloak using) ships to, either a covert cyno or a normal ‘vanilla’ cyno. This means you can use any ship you wish for bait. Bait ships rely on a number of different baiting strategies. Some offer a seemingly easy kill … perhaps a miner or industrial ship or apparently derp behaviour … intent upon turning the tables once their target has taken the bait. Others offer an attractive killmail … perhaps a faction battleship or a capital … intent upon engaging their targets thoroughly and then bringing in the cavalry. Some rely on being cloaky and / or fast moving, and tackling targets that were not necessarily intent upon PvP. This latter group includes the cyno-ceptors and cyno-mining-frigates we so often see nowadays, and some of the hunter-killer recon efforts.

The benefits of using a covert cloaking bait ship and covert cyno are mainly that the cyno is only visible to folk on grid, the cyno can be lit in cyno-jammed systems, the cyno lasts a lot less time and uses a lot less fuel. Your choice and use of a bait ship will depend on what you’re trying to do and how you like to play your eve. Do you want your target to be unable to warp away? If so your bait will need a scram or point, or hictor / dictor bubble. A downside of such a baitship is that the character will quickly become known as BLOPS bait-cyno operative, and you will increasingly find yourself counter-dropped and dead.
Do you want the bait ship to survive the encounter? Never guaranteed, but if so then frigates and industrials may not be great choices, and recons / T3s become increasingly attractive. Survival may become more a priority if you are operating deep in enemy space, where death might mean a half day reshipping and relocating. If you’re just burning into the fringes of target space from ajacent lowsec then you can die a be back on the task rather quickly.
Do you see yourself as a hunter-killer or more the bait-and-switch role? Covops recons and T3s provide excellent long-range BLOPS hunter-killer functionality. They’re able to tackle and tank-up to survive many encounters but they’re also kinda obvious BLOPS-bait. Blockade runners can light covert cynos but their survivability is rather poor so unless you are only tackling unarmed industrials I’d not suggest a BR, and even then there are better options for that gameplay style. I use BRs extensively to relocate and resupply BLOPS guys, but that is about it.

Obvious bait? If you last long enough in eve you will inevitably hear people use this term … as in “Drake! It’s obvious bait.” or “Player-name, System-name, Proteus. Known BLOPS-cyno character. Obvious bait”. ‘Obvious bait’ is a real yes-but term. Sometimes that derping drake will not be bait, or he may have mismanaged his fleet membership / cyno fitting / liquid ozone disposition, and make for an unexpectedly easy kill. So, IMHO, obvious bait is usually obvious … but sometimes it’s not. Great help there I know :-)

Solo BLOPS BS efforts, and fitting the ship? I usually see BLOPS BSs operating in packs, but occasionally see a solo effort. It’s up to you whether the risk – return of solo BLOPSing rocks your boat. As for fitting, well there’s a bundle of fairly standard combat BLOPS fittings in pretty widespread use. Go to the killboards and start looking. You will get an idea of what people do, and should be able to decide which approaches and fittings are attractive to you.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#5 - 2016-03-01 22:17:03 UTC
You can ask Linus as said before, but you can also ask: https://zkillboard.com/character/92412087/ which is also a decent blops pilot and actually already flew with linus according to zkb
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
#6 - 2016-03-02 13:21:29 UTC
thanks for the tips so far. i might made a mistake in the terms here, what i mean with bait is the hunter, i guess.

so, is this fit good as a hunter?

[Proteus, Cov Cyno]
Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Reactor Control Unit II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Warp Scrambler II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating

Warrior II x5
Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

thank you. o7
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#7 - 2016-03-03 12:12:43 UTC
My tip for a newbro is not to drop a black ops solo. Get some experience in a black ops gang first both as a hunter and a dropper.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#8 - 2016-03-03 13:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Huh, found this thread by pure coincidence.. Didn't think anything about it and see my name mentioned here Shocked
Should keep a lower profile, I guess..

Well, come by in Bombers Bar...

Lucy Callagan wrote:
You can ask Linus as said before, but you can also ask: https://zkillboard.com/character/92412087/ which is also a decent blops pilot and actually already flew with linus according to zkb

Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Eridon Hermetz
Diplomatie Rapide
Wreckflix and chill
#9 - 2016-03-03 16:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eridon Hermetz
Linus Gorp wrote:

Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!


I'll be back Cool

for hunting i use this baby when i want huge tank

Quote:
[Tengu, Hermetz's Tengu]
Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Power Diagnostic System II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


the fit may vary a bit when i need more agility/more passive tank/more active tank

Why tengu ?
because it has an awesome bonuses with the nullifier subsystem : agility bonuses

it's helping A LOT for warping/hunting away , any second less to catch a guy are good to take

Proteus aren't bad , but it's really hard for him to catch the EHP of a passive tengu with the same agility , so , kinda meh for me


actually (erm erm... i mean ... before my break) i used to use A LOT my tiny buzzard of doom

Quote:
[Buzzard, Hermetz's Buzzard]
Inertial Stabilizers II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small Shield Extender II
Ta3 Compact Ship Scanner

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher II,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit II


it's really tricky to survive when you light the cyno with him , but it's so fking fast and so small and so unobvious when hunting , it gave me a LOT of killz with it


For BlackOps , like i say ALWAYS , fly the one you can "easily" reach

i mean , personally , some years ago , i was closer to have a descent Panther for soloblopsing with my skillz , before the Sin (i wasn't perfect with drone skills at this time)
and with time , you take/choose the one you WANT to fly

for me , even in Solo , Widow is a beast because of : sick tank , sick dps (even with cruise missile ) and dank ecm (if you put isk on it...i fly with officier ecm)

but , in GENERAL , the Sin are the FOTM for soloblopsing , because SICK tank , lots of high utility slot for everything you need (NOS , Neutra , Smartbomb , everything) and enough low slot to play with it (some people use 4 DDA , some other 3 DDA and 1 omni tracking , some other fly with Nano/InertiaStab , etc etc)


but , in ALL CASE , for pure solo (and even in small gang) i would advice you to
Train JDC V asap
Maximise you'r tank skillz (compensation and such)
Bling you'r ship as much as you can afford (especially THE TANK ! the rest can wait)
And know you'r prey (there is a lot of baits out there , be REALLY carefull , it's better to avoid 1 shinney target than loosing you'r 3-4B blops because you did'nt pay attention)


that's all for me

if you need any tips/advice , feel free to ask me and/or Linus , we can help you with pleasure for you'r first drop :)
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#10 - 2016-03-03 20:04:35 UTC
Eridon Hermetz wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:

Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!


I'll be back Cool


Roll
Sadly the university is still keeping me busy :(

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Ohemgeez MyNameWontFi
Space Heroes In Training
#11 - 2016-03-03 20:53:47 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
My tip for a newbro is not to drop a black ops solo. Get some experience in a black ops gang first both as a hunter and a dropper.


well, my main, who had trained the sin, is in FW... my corp does blops once in a while so i had some small experience in dropping around the warzone but not that often.

i don't want to leave FW as of yet, but if blops indeed is my true calling then i might.

again, ty for all the advices.
Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#12 - 2016-03-03 21:11:17 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Also, I still want my Fedo back!


I really don't have it, i only grab the shinny.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#13 - 2016-03-03 21:21:45 UTC
Eridon Hermetz wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:

Frenchy is taking a EVE break. Not online much these days. Also, I still want my Fedo back!


I'll be back Cool

for hunting i use this baby when i want huge tank

Quote:
[Tengu, Hermetz's Tengu]
Damage Control II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Power Diagnostic System II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster,Navy Cap Booster 400

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier


the fit may vary a bit when i need more agility/more passive tank/more active tank

Why tengu ?
because it has an awesome bonuses with the nullifier subsystem : agility bonuses

it's helping A LOT for warping/hunting away , any second less to catch a guy are good to take

Proteus aren't bad , but it's really hard for him to catch the EHP of a passive tengu with the same agility , so , kinda meh for me


actually (erm erm... i mean ... before my break) i used to use A LOT my tiny buzzard of doom

Quote:
[Buzzard, Hermetz's Buzzard]
Inertial Stabilizers II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small Shield Extender II
Ta3 Compact Ship Scanner

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher II,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit II


it's really tricky to survive when you light the cyno with him , but it's so fking fast and so small and so unobvious when hunting , it gave me a LOT of killz with it


For BlackOps , like i say ALWAYS , fly the one you can "easily" reach

i mean , personally , some years ago , i was closer to have a descent Panther for soloblopsing with my skillz , before the Sin (i wasn't perfect with drone skills at this time)
and with time , you take/choose the one you WANT to fly

for me , even in Solo , Widow is a beast because of : sick tank , sick dps (even with cruise missile ) and dank ecm (if you put isk on it...i fly with officier ecm)

but , in GENERAL , the Sin are the FOTM for soloblopsing , because SICK tank , lots of high utility slot for everything you need (NOS , Neutra , Smartbomb , everything) and enough low slot to play with it (some people use 4 DDA , some other 3 DDA and 1 omni tracking , some other fly with Nano/InertiaStab , etc etc)


but , in ALL CASE , for pure solo (and even in small gang) i would advice you to
Train JDC V asap
Maximise you'r tank skillz (compensation and such)
Bling you'r ship as much as you can afford (especially THE TANK ! the rest can wait)
And know you'r prey (there is a lot of baits out there , be REALLY carefull , it's better to avoid 1 shinney target than loosing you'r 3-4B blops because you did'nt pay attention)


that's all for me

if you need any tips/advice , feel free to ask me and/or Linus , we can help you with pleasure for you'r first drop :)


I would think the longer point on the Prot would make it more viable. Also, why not use one of the Force Recons?
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#14 - 2016-03-03 21:27:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Estella Osoka wrote:
I would think the longer point on the Prot would make it more viable. Also, why not use one of the Force Recons?

The Proteus is way too slow. That 50km point won't help you at all when the target is long gone by the time you manage to land in the anomaly.
T3s have the benefit of being nullified, while scanning frigs are really great when you hunt with combat probes instead of d-scan.
I've more or less written it down in my hunter sheets: http://mopam-eve.org/resources/hk_seminar.pdf

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Eridon Hermetz
Diplomatie Rapide
Wreckflix and chill
#15 - 2016-03-04 08:20:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Eridon Hermetz
Estella Osoka wrote:
I would think the longer point on the Prot would make it more viable. Also, why not use one of the Force Recons?



like we say, the problem with the proteus it is he can't reach the SAME agility AND/OR the same tank than a tengu
and like linus say , every second less to catch a target count
the less time you take , the more chance to catch you got

as for using ReconShip, im not fan , even with their good tackling bonuses and good agility (in shield tank/nano fit)

gonna explain in short : its too fking obvious!

a lone rapier/arazu/whatever roaming around is obvious for anyone !

a T3 are a little less obvious,because they can be use for solopvp and/or ninjafarming in hostile space

a prospect still got a "WTFBBQcovertcynoMiningFrigate" effect

and a alone covertops (like i do) are less obvious because people can see you as a relic/data explorer


a good hunting ship is always a choice betwenn : tackling/speed/furtivity/tanking

there is none a "jack all of the trade" huntingship , you have to pick what you need and what you want and make sacrifice

for exemple , when i hunting in a region with a hellatons of bubbles,i pick the tengu, iam maybe slower than my buzzard but i dont spend the whole time on bubble

and when i hunting in a region without bubble , i pick. the buzzard because hes fracking fast and unobvious
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#16 - 2016-03-04 08:30:22 UTC
Eridon Hermetz wrote:
a prospect still got a "WTFBBQcovertcynoMiningFrigate" effect

Eridon Hermetz > "oooh...prospect , its just a mining frig....WTF OMG !!! IM SCRAM/WEB !! OMAGAD CYNO !! AAAARRAGH...."

Big smile

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucy Callagan
Goryn Clade
#17 - 2016-03-04 12:28:38 UTC
[Crane, ]

Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

Warp Scrambler II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

https://youtu.be/YgWFqRDfNkU?t=51
Eridon Hermetz
Diplomatie Rapide
Wreckflix and chill
#18 - 2016-03-04 16:26:22 UTC
Lucy Callagan wrote:
[Crane, ]

Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

Warp Scrambler II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Covert Cynosural Field Generator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

https://youtu.be/YgWFqRDfNkU?t=51



i am Eridon Hermetz , and i approve this fit 10/10