EVE General Discussion

My general thoughts on all of his posts.

#NOPOORS

As in, if you are not willing to spend the sub cost or ISK cost of playing, you ahve no business beign ehre.

Also, if the cost of the sub is putting you at risk of not feeding yourself or anything even remotely close to that, I don't want you to burn money on a god damn video games. Not being able to play EVE because you have to pay for food first is textbook definition of being a responsible human being.

Don't forgot gastronomy !

First off, let's get a few things out of the way:

1. EVE is a game and thus, by definition, is a luxury item
2. EVE requires semi-decent computer hardware to run effectively
3. EVE is made by a semi-small company based in ICELAND
4. Social inequality is a concept based on perception and an assumption that equality is somehow obtainable

So, some of you have already figured out the rest of my post at this point, you are dismissed.

I say the following with a calm nature and a good lifetime of experience to back the words up, you don't have to believe any of it.

If your game play will cost you/your family a weeks worth of food, you are a moron for playing it. It's a luxury (see item #1). Stop playing now and go find a way to improve your life to the point where EVE won't burden you.

If you can afford the computer, internet connection, and power necessary to play EVE, the cost of EVE shouldn't be a burden to you, this is intrinsically linked to the previous point.

The expectation that a small Icelandic game design company should invest time and its players resources, risking their ire, to search for a mythical 'unicorn' that somehow balances out all national economies against each other is beyond rational. Even nations have a really hard time finding balance against each other.

Collectivism belongs to people that desire to practice it. Not everyone does. Financial, social and cultural inequality is something that, no matter how enlightened, cannot be obtained by human beings as long as they have human nature to contend with. Trying to tell other people how to live, what to do for sustenance, how much to pay for stuff, where to go, what to believe, almost ALWAYS ends in blood, tears and shattered lives. In the context of EVE, it would be a great way for CCP to lose quite a bit of its player base if it tried to do something like this.

While I give the OP +1 for bravery in suggesting something like this, even thinly supported as it was; there is nothing good from tying a game to real life consequences or creating some kind of forced subsidy program between perceived haves and perceived have nots.

Agreed. I can fully get behind a player initiative to help those less fortunate. I was even a bit down when that Goon didn't get a specialised wheel chair or vehicle from a voting contest.

However, I do not think there should be penalties nor should CCP be taking this upon themselves. It is a social responsibility in third world countries to hire unskilled labour.
There tends to be more people than jobs.

An unfortunate fact of inequity in the real world is, affluent nations get games like these. "Developing" nations do not. It's like affluent nations get Cadillacs. "Developing" nations get Cadillacs on blocks. It is the nature of economic disparity. Trying to solve economic disparity by some charity foundation in a video game will only work out to getting PLEX for your buddies, but the remainder of the "developing" countries populations will still be going without.

Anyone really interested in the fact their friends can't afford this sort of leisure activity due to economic imbalances is better off not playing any game, and working their lives away struggling for equity. It's the fact this struggle is now seen as futile or only pursued by suckers that the working population now lags further behind and out of the main economy than it has since the days of empires and kings.

The kind of EVE I want has so much to do with the self-contained, Euro-centric western civ model there isn't any room for those who don't have ten dollars to feed themselves being accommodated at all. That's the nature of a winners and losers social paradigm. When developing countries decided to emulate the leaders in this "game" of economics, they preordained their own fates, and the money-grabbers laughed as they stood by and watched...then grabbed all the money.

It's rather strange for us to try to discuss this in this venue. You might as well be asking for a charity back nine at the local country club. It ain't gonna happen. The whole point of the country club is to luxuriate in the perks of winning. In a sense I do sympathize with your friends. However, as I said, if they're in a place so strapped economically that the ups and downs of macro-economics takes food from their tables, they have better things to do than play this game...more pressing things.

It takes someone of affluence to even propose this issue in this venue in this way.
Like the guy in Platoon said, "You have to be rich to talk like that."

If you think all this is unfair and inhumane...you have no business partaking in this perk of affluence. You should be out trying to effect a major shift in paradigm yourself...or it's just more "liberal" talk. Weep for the losers while you eat the peeled grapes.

So if these said people can't afford to pay for said eve subscription. Then how do they afford to buy a computer to play eve on. If they can't afford a $15 subscription and have to worry about paying for food instead, they shouldn't be worried about eve honestly. I like you idea OP but, it's just not realistic.

Or you could just... you know... donate PLEX directly yourself? If a player is rich enough to just hand out ISK and maybe PLEX like candy to help a fellow player in need, let them but I don't think we need to add any more features for that since we already have the tools to do just that.

EVE is a luxury, EVE is cheap and EVE can be paid for by playing it.

The OP just set a new record in wackiness. Or trolling.

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