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Nullsec NiNjA Plexing: Next Level Ninja Master Guide
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Dztrgovac
#81 - 2012-01-07 10:26:18 UTC
Hmm yes. I tried to EFT something to help the guy but nothing. Needing two spare highslots for cloak and prober cripples dps on Zealot and Sacri.

I know people do lowsec radars and mags in Pilgrim. It could likely also do 4/10 and maybe 5/10 for racial resists.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-01-08 21:25:23 UTC
yep. and bump.
Dormax
Sumo Wrestlers
#83 - 2012-01-09 22:22:55 UTC
Interesting stuff. I've played at exploration and a WH or two, but never really looked at it seriously until the last couple of weeks. Sadly, most of my combat skills are in Caldari mission runners (Nighthawk, specifically), which could probably handle the tank, but doesn't seem to have enough slots for dealing with nulsec effectively.
Iarga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-01-10 00:33:56 UTC
nice guide but your ooow so wrong about mag sites......

i do them a lot and they drop anywhere from 1 to 15 enhanced ward consoles (once i got like 32 from one site that was jackpot)

15 x 18 mill = 270 mill for such little time to do them...(and dont forget the other blue salvage that drops also has a nice value) i rather find radar site total crap


i get around 150+ of these EWC a week (and not counting the other salvage ) = 2.7 bill + easy
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-01-10 19:35:56 UTC
Excellent post, sir. :)
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#86 - 2012-01-10 20:36:09 UTC
I trained for the Ishtar some time ago with this activity in mind, but been holding of due to lack of info, and being a scary little fairy... now I also have a nice scanner alt so no excuses left anymore.

Thanks, will try o7

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#87 - 2012-01-10 20:47:51 UTC
Derp, I was so amazed by an actually good thread that I forgot my question:

How much tank you need for the better plexes?

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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-01-10 22:36:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Borun Tal
I would like to ask experienced opinions on Pilgrim vs Ishtar. I've been experimenting with a Pilgrim, but it just feels like I'm missing a lot of DPS... I don't have a fit to post (at work), but it's fitted for pretty much any exploration site (Sisters Core, Analyzer, Codebreaker, salvager, rigged for exploration)... Thoughts?

ps: Saw OP's post on Tengu, hadn't considered that for low exploration cuz I'm not sure about losing an 750mil ship... ;-)
SidtheKid100
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#89 - 2012-01-11 07:27:34 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
SidtheKid100 wrote:


However, sometime after reading this guide, I saw a 100MN AB fit Ishtar, which I vaguely remember had Nano II's
in the lows, 1 hardener, a DCU, and 1 MAR. (Or something along those lines)

Not sure where I saw it, (probably in this thread), but I was wondering if that is still viable?
And if not, why?

I personally like not having a cap penalty from the MWD, which is why I bring this up.



very interesting. i'd have to test this to see if 1) you get more tank out of it, and 2) if the mwd-cloak trick is possible. the only advantage i can think of is getting more speed tank out of it, but tbh im not sure if it would make a difference for the really tough plexes anyways. you can either a) **** the plex, or b) get raped by it if solo....i havent run into something in between. in addition, after the patch, you'll be going 400m/s slower compared to the mwd.

nonetheless, something like this?

-snip-



Alright, for starters, sorry about the long response time. Just a brief hiatus while skilling for the Ishtar.

Now onto address the 100MN AB Ishtar itself:
The biggest reason I can think of for ditching the idea is the align time.
~Somewhere along the lines of 30 seconds. Yikes.

Cap is also drained but I figure you should be pulsing the AB anyway, so maybe it's a non-issue.

Also, I find I don't need the RCU if I use a meta AB, along with 200mm autocannons.
I keep the co-proc from your original fit, and switch the omni for an analyzer, due to the more balanced loot tables making
magnetometrics worth doing again. This fit with my admittedly bad fitting skills.

The MWD trick should work just fine, I mean, an oversize AB is a MWD minus the sig bloom but with a larger gain in align time.

But in the end, this is all just speculation. (I haven't actually gotten into the ship yet)
Feel free to test it out at some point, and let us know how it goes.

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#90 - 2012-01-11 08:51:37 UTC
Great topic here. Nice to see someone actually sharing their way of making shiny iskies in a fun way although it also means more competition for youTwisted

2 questions about MWD + Cloak trick.

1)
I do : align then cloak then mwd and after reaching proper speed ( >75% ) I start spamming warp and hit decloak. I'm getting a message that I'm in warp or that I cannot do that while warping ( spamming warp button ) but it still takes about 3-4 seconds before actually warping out. Is it just decloaking animation, during which I cannot be targetted, or am I doing something wrong?

2)
Between dropping gate cloak and activating onboard cloak I can be seen for a split second on the overview. Can some ship actually target me during that time?

Thanks in advance
Tom
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-01-11 22:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Iarga wrote:
nice guide but your ooow so wrong about mag sites......

i do them a lot and they drop anywhere from 1 to 15 enhanced ward consoles (once i got like 32 from one site that was jackpot)

15 x 18 mill = 270 mill for such little time to do them...(and dont forget the other blue salvage that drops also has a nice value) i rather find radar site total crap


i get around 150+ of these EWC a week (and not counting the other salvage ) = 2.7 bill + easy




awesome thanks. is this after the Mag site buff that occurred recently? i may have to test it out myself and update the guide. time to bust out the old analyzer.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-01-11 22:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Roime wrote:
I trained for the Ishtar some time ago with this activity in mind, but been holding of due to lack of info, and being a scary little fairy... now I also have a nice scanner alt so no excuses left anymore.

Thanks, will try o7



yay \o/

Roime wrote:
Derp, I was so amazed by an actually good thread that I forgot my question:

How much tank you need for the better plexes?


a ninja plexing Ishtar is always active tanked. the best you can do with an active tank is an 8/10 DED plex (the fit i posted). i cant recall the exact names of the sites, but what i usually do is use EVE Wiki upon finding a site im not familiar with. this will tell you whether or not it's soloable.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2012-01-11 22:28:45 UTC
SidtheKid100 wrote:


Alright, for starters, sorry about the long response time. Just a brief hiatus while skilling for the Ishtar.

Now onto address the 100MN AB Ishtar itself:


But in the end, this is all just speculation. (I haven't actually gotten into the ship yet)
Feel free to test it out at some point, and let us know how it goes.


o/

basically, there's no reason not to dual prop the Ishtar now, after the speed and agility buffs! you can achieve significantly higher speeds running the mwd compared to 100mn ab.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-01-11 22:33:19 UTC
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:


1)
I do : align then cloak then mwd and after reaching proper speed ( >75% ) I start spamming warp and hit decloak. I'm getting a message that I'm in warp or that I cannot do that while warping ( spamming warp button ) but it still takes about 3-4 seconds before actually warping out. Is it just decloaking animation, during which I cannot be targetted, or am I doing something wrong?



there's one way to know FOR SURE that you're doing this right. if your ship warps away BEFORE the decloaking animation completes, you cant be targeted. if you do the sequence well, you should be warping away 1-2 seconds before the animation completes.

Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:

2)
Between dropping gate cloak and activating onboard cloak I can be seen for a split second on the overview. Can some ship actually target me during that time?


no, youre fine. but they'll be burning for your approximate location, which is why it's recommended to juke a little bit (change directions right after you activate the mwd)


thanks for the support!
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2012-01-11 22:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Borun Tal wrote:
I would like to ask experienced opinions on Pilgrim vs Ishtar. I've been experimenting with a Pilgrim, but it just feels like I'm missing a lot of DPS... I don't have a fit to post (at work), but it's fitted for pretty much any exploration site (Sisters Core, Analyzer, Codebreaker, salvager, rigged for exploration)... Thoughts?

ps: Saw OP's post on Tengu, hadn't considered that for low exploration cuz I'm not sure about losing an 750mil ship... ;-)


dont take out a t3 unless you have at least 5-10 solid pvp'ers in your fleet nearby, in addition to intel. trust me Lol

the Pilgrim can do just fine with Mag and Radar sites in nullsec, in addition to 4/10's and 5/10's. also, you can do the non-DED combat sites that escalate. some escalations are easy and give you free faction spawns, which you can snipe. i dont think the Pilgrim could handle a 6/10, not sure. basically you can do everything except the really juicy sites, which sometimes dont drop anything good (just to make you feel better Smile)
SidtheKid100
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#96 - 2012-01-11 22:41:42 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
SidtheKid100 wrote:


Alright, for starters, sorry about the long response time. Just a brief hiatus while skilling for the Ishtar.

Now onto address the 100MN AB Ishtar itself:


But in the end, this is all just speculation. (I haven't actually gotten into the ship yet)
Feel free to test it out at some point, and let us know how it goes.


o/

basically, there's no reason not to dual prop the Ishtar now, after the speed and agility buffs! you can achieve significantly higher speeds running the mwd compared to 100mn ab.


Makes sense. Thanks.

But if you're going to use dual prop, how would you squeeze in the analyzer?

What compromises in fitting would you make?

And is it worth it to drop a gun for a salvager?

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2012-01-11 22:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
i'll have to test it, but i think the tank should do fine with just one cap recharger! in addition, the Heavy Electrons are a BONUS. taking one away for a salvager may pay off for you.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#98 - 2012-01-12 09:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mnemosyne Gloob
Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
1)
I do : align then cloak then mwd and after reaching proper speed ( >75% ) I start spamming warp and hit decloak. I'm getting a message that I'm in warp or that I cannot do that while warping ( spamming warp button ) but it still takes about 3-4 seconds before actually warping out. Is it just decloaking animation, during which I cannot be targetted, or am I doing something wrong?


Select object (out gate or ceslestial or so), align, cloak followed quickly by mwd (place them in slots one and two and just press F1+F2 together), wait for mwd to almost finish cycling, uncloak, warpto. If you do it right you wil instantly enter the warp animation.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#99 - 2012-01-12 09:23:01 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
Borun Tal wrote:
I would like to ask experienced opinions on Pilgrim vs Ishtar. I've been experimenting with a Pilgrim, but it just feels like I'm missing a lot of DPS... I don't have a fit to post (at work), but it's fitted for pretty much any exploration site (Sisters Core, Analyzer, Codebreaker, salvager, rigged for exploration)... Thoughts?

ps: Saw OP's post on Tengu, hadn't considered that for low exploration cuz I'm not sure about losing an 750mil ship... ;-)


dont take out a t3 unless you have at least 5-10 solid pvp'ers in your fleet nearby, in addition to intel. trust me Lol

the Pilgrim can do just fine with Mag and Radar sites in nullsec, in addition to 4/10's and 5/10's. also, you can do the non-DED combat sites that escalate. some escalations are easy and give you free faction spawns, which you can snipe. i dont think the Pilgrim could handle a 6/10, not sure. basically you can do everything except the really juicy sites, which sometimes dont drop anything good (just to make you feel better Smile)



I have 'tanked' up to the Gurista 8/10 in my Pilgrim (1600 plate, 2+1 hardeners, med repper, ab) - which mostly involves getting aggro and burning away first then maintaining range. However with the Pilgrim alone lets say a 6/10 would take ages due to only a flight of medium drones, so you need a dps buddy tagging along.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#100 - 2012-01-12 14:56:16 UTC
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:

Select object (out gate or ceslestial or so), align, cloak followed quickly by mwd (place them in slots one and two and just press F1+F2 together), wait for mwd to almost finish cycling, uncloak, warpto. If you do it right you wil instantly enter the warp animation.


Yeah that was it. I was just decloaking too soon.
Thanks for help.