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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-02-24 20:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidster
Currently, forming fleets with players you do not know well for doing complexes is problematic because the loot drops can be highly unbalanced. You can do complexes for 3 hours and get nothing, then do a site and 500M in modules drop in one can. That one can could be the take for whole evening. With this kind of loot pattern it is very risky to invite strangers to fleet because they have a huge temptation to ninja loot the can and leave instead of sharing the loot with the other players in the team.

One possible approach to improving this situation would be to add a Master Looting / cargo hold padlocking functionality. Allow fleets to appoint a master looter and only the master looter will be able to remove objects from wrecks or containers. Other players in the fleet would not be able to move items into their cargo hold.

To be more specific how this idea could work:

- the FC could lock the cargohold of any ship in his fleet, preventing a fleet member from loading anything into their cargohold

- there would be a "lock all cargoholds" at both fleet and squadron levels

- the FC can selectively unlock the cargohold of any particular ship or ships in the fleet (the designated looters)

- there would be right-click option on fleet members to "unlock cargohold" available to the FC

- if a player leaves the fleet their cargohold remains locked until they dock at a station
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#2 - 2016-02-24 20:27:24 UTC
Then don't fly with people you don't trust. Problem solved.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-02-24 20:49:30 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Then don't fly with people you don't trust. Problem solved.


Pretty much this.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-02-24 21:02:28 UTC
Another fix would be public notes. You post a public note that the person is a ninja thief and everyone else can see it in their public notes.

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Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2016-02-24 21:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Another fix would be public notes. You post a public note that the person is a ninja thief and everyone else can see it in their public notes.

This would work great because no one lies in Eve. Roll

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#6 - 2016-02-24 22:04:17 UTC
What's to stop the master looter from stealing it all anyway, and reneging on pledges to share the loot?


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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#7 - 2016-02-24 23:01:48 UTC
The FC already gets a list of who looted what.

If people are grifting, you Broadcast Target and go push their **** in.
Iain Cariaba
#8 - 2016-02-25 00:27:34 UTC
Great job, Droidster. Yet another wonderful idea that is 110% contrary to all that is EvE.

Please, tell us all why you play a game you obviously hate so much. Seriously, I want to know.
Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2016-02-25 01:47:58 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
What's to stop the master looter from stealing it all anyway
A Master baiter?

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Helios Anduath
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-02-25 04:46:47 UTC
No - Eve is a cold, hard place where anyone can turn around and back stab you at any time. Mechanics should not be changed to make it a more cuddly and friendly place. If you want space-love, it is the players that need to do it.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#11 - 2016-02-25 07:15:27 UTC
My goodness - once in awhile the other forum inhabitants and I agree - bad idea.

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Zylona Femtov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-02-28 15:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Zylona Femtov
Damm I thought it was all about being a better thief or else, If you have a skill that help you to steal faster why not.
But it's not the point. Lol

It's all about balance between faster salvaging/looting and being organized in order to do it.
Well there is tools for that like Noctis, Mobile Tractor Units, cargo ships and planification.

No need of anything else...
Lugh Crow-Slave
#13 - 2016-02-28 16:45:13 UTC
Eve is built on trust bergen players not trust generated through in game mechanics while e us for a stable game to run there needs to be a certain degree of protecting this is far more than needed.

(I would argue that in some areas the game is already to safe)

Besides all this does is make it so rather than one guy ninja looting a can you have one guy ninja looting the entire nights worth


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Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-03-01 08:52:58 UTC
Droidster wrote:
Currently, forming fleets with players you do not know well for doing complexes is problematic because the loot drops can be highly unbalanced. You can do complexes for 3 hours and get nothing, then do a site and 500M in modules drop in one can. That one can could be the take for whole evening. With this kind of loot pattern it is very risky to invite strangers to fleet because they have a huge temptation to ninja loot the can and leave instead of sharing the loot with the other players in the team.

One possible approach to improving this situation would be to add a Master Looting / cargo hold padlocking functionality. Allow fleets to appoint a master looter and only the master looter will be able to remove objects from wrecks or containers. Other players in the fleet would not be able to move items into their cargo hold.

To be more specific how this idea could work:

- the FC could lock the cargohold of any ship in his fleet, preventing a fleet member from loading anything into their cargohold

- there would be a "lock all cargoholds" at both fleet and squadron levels

- the FC can selectively unlock the cargohold of any particular ship or ships in the fleet (the designated looters)

- there would be right-click option on fleet members to "unlock cargohold" available to the FC

- if a player leaves the fleet their cargohold remains locked until they dock at a station


No if you wanna that go and play WoW.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#15 - 2016-03-01 13:04:03 UTC
If there was a leader board for terrible ideas posted on the forum the Droidster would be on top by a huge margin.
-1 for another terrible idea in a long list of terrible ideas.
Iain Cariaba
#16 - 2016-03-01 13:22:29 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
If there was a leader board for terrible ideas posted on the forum the Droidster would be on top by a huge margin.
-1 for another terrible idea in a long list of terrible ideas.

That depends on if you rate by quantity over quality. For quantity of bad ideas, he'd be on top, but for quality, that goes to Yige Shen still.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2016-03-01 20:57:49 UTC
For highsec, this would sort of make sense. Designate a single wreck owner for the fleet, and the wrecks would be yellow for everyone else. But "locking" the loot is antithetical to Eve. Anyone can loot, so long as they're willing to face the consequences.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2016-03-01 23:33:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
For highsec, this would sort of make sense. Designate a single wreck owner for the fleet, and the wrecks would be yellow for everyone else. But "locking" the loot is antithetical to Eve. Anyone can loot, so long as they're willing to face the consequences.

indeed , all should cower when getting the "carebear stare" (yellowboxing but not actually shooting)

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#19 - 2016-03-01 23:50:00 UTC
Or you could, you know, drop your own mtu and steal it yourself?

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Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#20 - 2016-03-02 07:00:16 UTC
Droidster wrote:


- the FC could lock the cargohold of any ship in his fleet, preventing a fleet member from loading anything into their cargohold


Something like this is already implemented, please take a look at the Warp Scrambler, which locks an entire ship, not just the cargohold.

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