Test Server Feedback

Please put the right click to look around then both click to zoom feature back.

I do like the new camera modes, BUT i miss the target track function on the old camera. There is also an erronious problem with the UI interface centering while running dual monitors and haveing the camera and (supposedly) the UI Interface offset with the camera to one monitor. It's not working - Bug report was sent.

i really hated the camera shakes there was no way to turn that off

Zoom:

* You can get a bit stuck near your ship (or other structures) when zooming too close (maybe some minimal zoom speed)
* You can't get very far with zoom in orbit camera and not specially in tactical mode. As you can get back selecting tactical mode again, this shouldn't be a problem
* the zoom otherwise feels better than on TQ
* I would like option to turn the left+right click zoom to be inverted, but not the scroll! I think they are working differently as I expect. Doesn't matter do I have the zoom invert or not. One of the zoom ways is always wrong way around.

Settings:

* Inertia slider seems to have good range of values and default
* Inertia overall feels pretty good. Not sure why, but feels better than current TQ
* camera bobbing seems nicer for sure.
* Dynamic field of view seems (might be wrong here) better than on TQ
* Offset seems to be better working. props for that

Orbit camera:

* When starting to rate the camera from tacking, It takes at least 5 seconds for camera to get back to your ship (making "untrack" action) only at that point the game starts to take the mouse movement as rotation command. This brakes what I expect when I rapidly try to rate a camera a bit.
* I still would like to see the pan feature from old camera. Helps to look your and others killmarks and especially what weapons they have

FPS camera:

* maybe the same pan that should be with the orbit camera.
* way to manually pilot your ship with the mouse

eidt: added point to zoom

Right click the orbit mode button or press shift+c to enable autotracking

I couldn't make the mass test but after using the new camera for a while I do have some feedback.

The new inertia system is vastly better than before. It still feels a little off, but that may just be because it's different. Removing that acceleration time at the start of camera movements is a vast improvement over the last version. It used to give me a headache even at max speed, but now it's quite usable at just a bit above default speed.

The option to remove the ship offset when tracking an object is also quite welcome. We do still need custom tracking positions, but it's a very big step in the right direction.

I haven't been able to see the default settings for the checkbox options, but Dynamic Field Of View (why is "of" capitalized?) needs to be off by default because it seems to make most people sick when it's on. As for the Inertia default, it seems a little too sluggish. A good default would be 1-2 ticks faster than it is currently.

The tactical camera seems to be working a bit better too, but it's uncomfortable how the camera rotates around its own center. The fact that the camera simply turns instead of orbiting a point also makes it hard to look at an area from another angle because the camera needs to be moved so far that the focal point is out of view before turning to look at it again.
It's also annoying that tracking an object makes the camera detach from the object it was set to look at.

There is still one big thing that makes the new camera uncomfortable compared to the old one though: The difference between the horizontal and vertical sensitivity. Adjusting the camera vertically still feels extremely slow and tedious because it requires more mouse movement for the same change in angle compared to horizontal adjustment.

Overall the new camera feels much better than it did a couple weeks ago. I look forward to to using it more.

Hopped on and gave it a quick test.

Camera offset during tracking camera use...+1 thank you.
Ship constantly bobbing up and down in station...-1 really annoying. I expected the "camera bobbing" to continue to disable that effect in station which I believe it does on TQ but it isn't working on the test server. It's really unnatural looking the way it just goes....^^^^^ STOP vvvvv STOP ^^^^^^ STOP vvvvv, you get the point. (The effect is much more exagerated on smaller ships. Watching my crusader bob up and down makes me feel like I'm in a roller coaster just sitting in station) Edit: I assume once the bug I'm experiencing with camera settings not working and being stuck with old camera in space is fixed it will fix this issue as well.

Otherwise the only comment/complain I have is that when using tracking camera it moves from target to target too slowly. One of the things I do like about the new camera on TQ is how fast the tracking camera shifts targets. Just sitting outside station and pointing the camera at things I feel like "....come on... you can do it....MOVE ALREADY" (Edit: This seems to be because I've gotten accustomed to the new camera on TQ and now I'm stuck with old camera when in space on test server)

ummmm I think I just noticed why it seems weird and perhaps why the bobbing in station isn't working. I noticed that the "inertia" setting didn't seem to be doing anything so I turned offset on ... nothing happened. Tried turning all the other options on and off... no effect. The option for try the new camera is removed and I seem to be stuck using the old camera in space and the new camera in station.... sooooo..... kinda broke.

(Turning camera bobbing on and off in station does nothing to stop the ship bobbing up and down btw)

Also this testing is done on 2 different client logins. Both clients experiencing the same thing.

Edit: Just to confirm this. It definitely is the old camera I'm stuck with in space. All the new buttons and controls are unavailable.

Edit: Bug report submitted along with screen shot showing the old camera controls on the UI.

Logged in today to check for changes. I see now that the "try the new camera" box is back.
Undocked and all seemed well. I'm now able to use the new camera. Options are now working as expected and WOW with inertia set all the way left that thing just goes and goes and goes and goes. lol Works just fine for my tastes set all the way to the right though so no complaints there.

With camera offset turned off and using tracking camera the camera doesn't make a direct line to the selected target. It kind shoots over as if it wants the camera to be offset and then drifts the ship back into the center of the screen. As opposed to before when it would shoot to center then drift the ship out of center. Is this necessary? It's really visually unpleasing. It's not a functional problem ofc so not a priority but it's (imo) just not ideal aesthetically and creates a slight woozy sensation.

Only other niggle is that when in station you still can't turn off the ship bobbing up and down. I can't say how nauseating it is for my ship to keep bobbing like that when I'm supposed to be sitting still in station. Of all the camera effects so far that is the one the gives me the greatest sensation of sea sickness. It really tricks the brain into feeling like riding over waves. Please make it so that disabling camera bobbing also disables that effect otherwise I'll personally just be forced..... wait a second.... you removed the option to not load station environment! UBER not good. So not only does the wave riding ship in the hanger make me sea sick but I can't even turn off station environment to make it go away. If this goes live I guess I'll just have to make my inventory window block out my entire ship... can't say that's a step in the right direction.

Edit: Just to add. The camera bobbing option does stop the camera moving up and down in station but it's the ship that keeps moving.

Agreed. The ship bouncing in station is sickening and needs to go away or be covered with windows. Also the lack of static background option is a huge concern for performance reasons as well as aesthetics. Not everyone cares about ship spinning and those of us who don't can get a vast performance improvement by having the static background. I did a test on TQ and checked Load Station Environment on all my characters for a day. Normally I have 3-4 docked and 2-4 in space, so my average framerate went way down to render the station scenes I never look at.

Thought I posted about this already, but apparently not.

The orbit camera is still missing two features that were very helpful. In the old camera, you could right-click+drag to turn the camera away from what it was centered on. It was very nice for taking screenshots and generally looking around. Also, while holding right-click after dragging, you could hold left-click and drag to zoom in further than you could with the mousewheel. It was very useful for checking what guns were on battleships, for example.

Besides those, I think the orbit camera is feature-complete, just needs some tweaks like to the previously mentioned offset from speed.