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Is EVE now P2W?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#21 - 2016-02-29 19:55:37 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You can't buy the knowledge required to play the game well, so no, it's not.
So you're saying no game is P2W?

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TuDDi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-02-29 19:59:19 UTC
You can still have all the skills in the game and get killed by a t1 fitted noob frigate due to your stupidy, so no its not pay2win.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-02-29 20:05:04 UTC
NotTheSmartestCookie wrote:
Absolutely. It used to be that haulers avoided lowsec, but these days they just juice up on skill points, jump into lowsec in a T1 industrial, bust the gate camp, scoop the corpses, do a barrel roll over the station and slowly make their way to highsec again. It is disgusting!


Y-You mean to say someone who injected SP to have all the relevant skills for a battle badger will kill my rattlesnake, 3 logi alts and falcon alt while I solo but the guy who just plain trained into a battle badger will get roflstomped by me?Shocked WHY EVE IS INDEED P2W!

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
MadTrojan Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2016-02-29 20:11:39 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
What is the difference between skill injectors and buying a character with the needed skills from the character bazaar? Before the injectors I could just buy and sell Plex then use the isk to purchase someone else's preskilled character. So really, what changed?

The cost maybe and that you inject skills to a character of your choosing instead of getting a premade character. Still, if you consider buying skills as pay-to-win, then the character bazaar allowed for that option long before injectors.


With skill injectors, you can buy with plex via real money and have a character tailor made; with this Bazaar thing, you don't always get 100% what you want....not having bought any, that is an assumption on my part.

So can you really compare a tailor fit day one character to a bazaar character; that may not fit all the bit's you'd like??
Maybe people didn't think bazaar characters was to obvious compared to skill injectors?

Again, my other question still comes to; is there any point to have skill points?

Is it just another form of cash for CCP to yield in.
Simon Pirodet
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-02-29 20:14:55 UTC
MadTrojan Sarain wrote:
As the title say's.

Is EVE now officially P2W?
Just a player intrigued and want to hear your constructive thoughts at hand.

Sincerely


Then read the other 100 blogs and 1000 other forum posts about it.
Lavitias Arjar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-02-29 20:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lavitias Arjar
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Reaper infliction wrote:
It's 1 thing to have all the skills as a new player but its another thing to know how they all work. Experience in the game should still win over the pay to win noob


thatonepersone wrote:
Skill injectors are not P2W in the same way plex is not. Both are ways of getting something everybody can get faster. Pay to win would be if there was a ship that was better than all of the other ships of its class that you could only buy with real life money.



so if WOW, or any other MMO let you pay money and get max level, with all the skills/etc.... that wouldnt be a problem for you?

Please quit videogames now. you are the cancer that is ruining my videogames.


WoW already lets you do that along with some others. Guess what fresh 100's in WoW suck ass.


Also how is using a skill injector any different from character bazarr it's not besides the fact you can get a more focused character for possibly cheaper now.
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-02-29 20:25:37 UTC
Reading all of the "Skill matters more than SP" posts really takes me back.

More specifically, it takes me back to my old MMO days when I used to say the same thing. Then I realized I was just a loser who was making excuses for being clever at being poor.

People seem to be missing a lot of aspects of this argument. The ability to fly a ship is important, yea, but the skills of the pilot also matters. Who'd win: The 2m SP Daredevil or the 100m SP Daredevil?
Honestly, I'd put my money on the guy with Core fitting skills at 5, T2 guns and tank, and higher Navigation skills. You get to a point where SP matters more than skill.

Oh, but who am I kidding? I'm obviously posting among the most elite to who solo entire fleets for fun and run with 100+ man blobs through FW space.
ugh zug
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-02-29 20:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ugh zug
lol ccp is really raking in the short term cash. what i don't understand is how people don't feel like they are being taxed twice. i mean you pay to train your characters over time now you're paying to remove the training you ALREADY paid for. ccp is laughing it up right now. they even announced nerfing multi boxing further with carrier changes, setting off injector buying frenzy as pilots liquidate their now useless carrier alts. only time will tell what will happen to the state of the game but losing all those carrier alt subs probably wont hurt too much... right?

Regardless if one considers it p2w or not, it's a shortcut. plex/skillinjectors/character trading allow you to skip grinding or time training, which is not fair play. its like paying for money in any other mmo game, rmt. the only difference is the players take the role of chinese slave labor while ccp is prison guard pocketing that cash.

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
IronBank
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-02-29 20:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: IronBank
AttentionAttentionAttention If you think EVE is P2W then IDK what or how we can fix you. AttentionAttentionAttention

Skills does not = win.

You could always buy plex or GTC's to sell for isk

You could always buy a character from the forums.

It takes 25k USD+ to do what I did and take a character to max skills. This equates to 2 Trillion isk give or take a few billions.

For the same amount of isk or $$ value, you could have purchased 20 x 100 Million SP characters from the forums...

Would you rather have :

1 x Maxed Character like mine (can only do one thing at a time)

Or

  1. Titan Pilot
  2. Titan Pilot
  3. Titan Pilot
  4. Titan Pilot
  5. Mom Pilot
  6. Mom Pilot
  7. Mom Pilot
  8. Mom Pilot
  9. High Sec JF Alt
  10. Null Sec JF Alt
  11. Sub Cap Pilot
  12. Dread Pilot
  13. Carrier Pilot
  14. Indy Alt
  15. Indy Alt
  16. Cyno Alt
  17. Cyno Alt
  18. Cyno Alt
  19. Cyno Alt
  20. Cyno Alt


*** All 20 above chars come with their respective ships too fully fitted ***

Skill point injectors are just an extension of plex / char bazzer with an added convenience factor.

If you still think this is P2W then you do NOT understand Eve at all and possibly never will.
Janna Shihari
Isk Happens
#30 - 2016-02-29 20:50:20 UTC
MadTrojan Sarain wrote:
As the title say's.

Is EVE now officially P2W?

Why I ask this; you can now use skill injectors.
More to the point that someone, paid over $2k real money buying plex to sell for in game currency and then buying skill injectors to then become top skilled player.

So yes, I understand buying plex for in game currency has been around for a while as is using in game currency to buy plex time but now has it gone to far?

Does it even matter?
That someone playing ten years of hard core skill learning, to then be equalled by a paid player of same skill set from 1 day.

Yes experience counts for a lot but then the real question because; why have skill's now?
If you can rush game content in a lot of way's...

Has this diluted what CCP was?

Just a player intrigued and want to hear your constructive thoughts at hand.

Sincerely



You still have to farm those skills though, either in game or irl.

Giving the chance to level the playground for new players is only a good thing, if you do not want the game to stagnate; do not underestimate the age of this game.

I find baffling that people cannot see the injectors under this point of view.

Skill injectors will only better this game.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-02-29 20:56:34 UTC
ugh zug wrote:


Regardless if one considers it p2w or not, it's a shortcut. plex/skillinjectors/character trading allow you to skip grinding or time training, which is not fair play. its like paying for money in any other mmo game, rmt. the only difference is the players take the role of chinese slave labor while ccp is prison guard pocketing that cash.


Why isn't it fair? Everyone can do it and since it goes on the market, you can do it without dropping a single cent of RL money on the feature.
Yarosara Ruil
#32 - 2016-02-29 20:57:53 UTC
Neither PLEX or ISK ever influenced my ability to enjoy roleplaying in IGS or browse dank memes and read reddit.

So yeah! Winning is free. Why pay for it?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-02-29 21:02:23 UTC
IronBank wrote:
AttentionAttentionAttention If you think EVE is P2W then IDK what or how we can fix you. AttentionAttentionAttention

Skills does not = win.

You could always buy plex or GTC's to sell for isk

You could always buy a character from the forums.

It takes 25k USD+ to do what I did and take a character to max skills. This equates to 2 Trillion isk give or take a few billions.

For the same amount of isk or $$ value, you could have purchased 20 x 100 Million SP characters from the forums...

Would you rather have :

1 x Maxed Character like mine (can only do one thing at a time)

Or

  1. Titan Pilot
  2. Titan Pilot
  3. Titan Pilot
  4. Titan Pilot
  5. Mom Pilot
  6. Mom Pilot
  7. Mom Pilot
  8. Mom Pilot
  9. High Sec JF Alt
  10. Null Sec JF Alt
  11. Sub Cap Pilot
  12. Dread Pilot
  13. Carrier Pilot
  14. Indy Alt
  15. Indy Alt
  16. Cyno Alt
  17. Cyno Alt
  18. Cyno Alt
  19. Cyno Alt
  20. Cyno Alt


*** All 20 above chars come with their respective ships too fully fitted ***

Skill point injectors are just an extension of plex / char bazzer with an added convenience factor.

If you still think this is P2W then you do NOT understand Eve at all and possibly never will.


I like how I explained this on day 1 and people still fail to catch up on that.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#34 - 2016-02-29 21:02:41 UTC
How many of these stupid post do we need? op there are about 50 of these damn post already, use the search function and bump on of them.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2016-02-29 21:10:30 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You can't buy the knowledge required to play the game well, so no, it's not.


lol as much as you would.like to really believe that rubbish

to op yes absolutely is now p2w.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2016-02-29 21:12:16 UTC
Betteridge's Law of Headlines would like a word.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2016-02-29 21:14:47 UTC
Can a moderator please stop this QQ in GN ? Please? Just lock them. Thanks. My god people QQ for anything those days. Stop bitching and go playing or stfu and do a other game.... Thanks. This will not be reverse. Perhaps the remove it later like jukeboxs because its not needing anymore. But he if you buy SP that will not say you are pro....... /slap
ManFinancical
ChuangShi
Fraternity.
#38 - 2016-02-29 21:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ManFinancical
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
You can't buy the knowledge required to play the game well, so no, it's not.

This is naive if not stupid.

Everything is P2W these days, only game that is not P2W is an single player offline game so why do people expect any different in EVE

They made a business decision, people will either stay or leave, only time will tell
ugh zug
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-02-29 21:52:32 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
ugh zug wrote:


Regardless if one considers it p2w or not, it's a shortcut. plex/skillinjectors/character trading allow you to skip grinding or time training, which is not fair play. its like paying for money in any other mmo game, rmt. the only difference is the players take the role of chinese slave labor while ccp is prison guard pocketing that cash.


Why isn't it fair? Everyone can do it and since it goes on the market, you can do it without dropping a single cent of RL money on the feature.



someone had to fork out rl cash at some point for this exchange to occur, paying for a shortcut with real life money. if there was no rl money involved and it was all internally handled with in game mechanics it be fair.

Want me to shut up? Remove content from my post,1B. Remove my content from a thread I have started 2B.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#40 - 2016-02-29 21:59:53 UTC
Since a p2w game is a game where you can invest money to buy an advantage (not to actually win in a game like some uninformed people claim) I have to say YES here. However this was already the case with PLEX and the character bazaar, it's just that they expanded on this.

So in conclusion, YES EVE is p2w, it was for a long time. It's just MORE p2w than before now.

Evil RatKid