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Is EVE now P2W?

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MadTrojan Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-02-29 19:02:38 UTC
As the title say's.

Is EVE now officially P2W?

Why I ask this; you can now use skill injectors.
More to the point that someone, paid over $2k real money buying plex to sell for in game currency and then buying skill injectors to then become top skilled player.

So yes, I understand buying plex for in game currency has been around for a while as is using in game currency to buy plex time but now has it gone to far?

Does it even matter?
That someone playing ten years of hard core skill learning, to then be equalled by a paid player of same skill set from 1 day.

Yes experience counts for a lot but then the real question because; why have skill's now?
If you can rush game content in a lot of way's...

Has this diluted what CCP was?

Just a player intrigued and want to hear your constructive thoughts at hand.

Sincerely
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2016-02-29 19:05:18 UTC
You can't buy the knowledge required to play the game well, so no, it's not.

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Elijah Sool
Kessel Run Industries
#3 - 2016-02-29 19:05:46 UTC
*sigh*
Reaper infliction
Nova Hack
#4 - 2016-02-29 19:06:36 UTC
It's 1 thing to have all the skills as a new player but its another thing to know how they all work. Experience in the game should still win over the pay to win noob
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-02-29 19:13:05 UTC
yes, it has gone too far

PLEX was pushing it. it was right on the boundry between pay2win and providing a free2play method
Skill injectors are outright pay2win and theres no question about that.

my only question is why is there no protests about skill injectors like there were for monocles? that is puzzling.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

thatonepersone
Black Jack 0-1
#6 - 2016-02-29 19:14:22 UTC
Skill injectors are not P2W in the same way plex is not. Both are ways of getting something everybody can get faster. Pay to win would be if there was a ship that was better than all of the other ships of its class that you could only buy with real life money.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2016-02-29 19:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Reaper infliction wrote:
It's 1 thing to have all the skills as a new player but its another thing to know how they all work. Experience in the game should still win over the pay to win noob


thatonepersone wrote:
Skill injectors are not P2W in the same way plex is not. Both are ways of getting something everybody can get faster. Pay to win would be if there was a ship that was better than all of the other ships of its class that you could only buy with real life money.



so if WOW, or any other MMO let you pay money and get max level, with all the skills/etc.... that wouldnt be a problem for you?

Please quit videogames now. you are the cancer that is ruining my videogames.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-02-29 19:16:32 UTC
Kharnakh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-02-29 19:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kharnakh
Terminal Insanity wrote:

so if WOW, or any other MMO let you pay money and get max level, with all the skills/etc.... that wouldnt be a problem for you?


They actually have this in Lord of the Rings Online and Star Wars The Old Republic, possibly others.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-02-29 19:26:09 UTC
If the P stands for Post

Yes
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-02-29 19:26:47 UTC
Kharnakh wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:

so if WOW, or any other MMO let you pay money and get max level, with all the skills/etc.... that wouldnt be a problem for you?


They actually have this in Lord of the Rings Online and Star Wars The Old Republic, possibly others.

i guess thats another reason to never play those games.

I dont know about others, but i enjoy playing the game and unlocking new things, progressing though the levels and gaining new abilities. It keeps the game interesting; theres always something new around the corner.

Being able to just buy everything outright ruins that. But fine, if you dont like that, ruin it for yourself. In a singleplayer game. Where it doesn't affect everyone else.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Blind Brother
Backwater Redux
Tactical Narcotics Team
#12 - 2016-02-29 19:28:25 UTC
There are about a million threads you could read to get all the answers (and a whole lot of commentary/ranting), personally, I'd start with the Dev Blog post about the feature and the follow-up threads after the skill extractors/injectors were released.

That said, simply put, no. It does not make EVE Online any different.

The dumber (AFK?) miners/ratters still get hot dropped.
People who pay attention to local and intel channels remain safe.
While the age of a character never really mattered in my mind (I've personally got 7 year old characters with starting skill points, and 2 year old characters with tens of millions) the only relevant change here is that a 1 or 2 day old character *can* light a cyno from a stealth bomber. This means that rather than treating the day-old neutral in local as a passive threat (scout), you treat them more as an active threat (hot dropper; move to the next system over, or next constellation over, if you want to PVE).

I have yet to use a skill injector on any of my characters - but I have bought a number of extractors to trim out unwanted/unneeded skills on a couple. I sold one injector to off-set the cost of the extractors I bought and I'm holding on to the rest for now.

I believe a lot of players like the idea of stream-lining their characters for what they want to do with them, and having the ability reallocate your SP, even if it might be at a loss, is still better than having skills you never use trained to level 5.

Plus, like everyone says, SP does not equal playing ability.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2016-02-29 19:29:08 UTC
Kharnakh wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:

so if WOW, or any other MMO let you pay money and get max level, with all the skills/etc.... that wouldnt be a problem for you?


They actually have this in Lord of the Rings Online and Star Wars The Old Republic, possibly others.

eve ,unlike those games, will bend you over a barrel regardless of your sp level if you dont have the knowledge or experience to back it up.

iv seen players with under 5m sp solo pimped out pvp fit marauders with nothing more than an assault frigate , guidance and massive balls.

the character bazaar has allowed one to buy sp for years, the only thing injectors chance is you can no longer make assumptions on characters based off of their age.
Capsule Collector
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-02-29 19:30:59 UTC
If you really believe that having more SP than another person is the predominant factor in who wins a fight, then trying to explain to you why Skill Injectors are not P2W is a futile effort.
NotTheSmartestCookie
Shooting Blues Everyday
Gimme Da Loot
#15 - 2016-02-29 19:31:11 UTC
Absolutely. It used to be that haulers avoided lowsec, but these days they just juice up on skill points, jump into lowsec in a T1 industrial, bust the gate camp, scoop the corpses, do a barrel roll over the station and slowly make their way to highsec again. It is disgusting!

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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#16 - 2016-02-29 19:33:49 UTC
Eve is now P2W, pay to welp ships you have no business flying.

Saw a new player using a Paladin to rat in a C2 wormhole system recently, as you can guess it didn't end well for him.
Blind Brother
Backwater Redux
Tactical Narcotics Team
#17 - 2016-02-29 19:33:59 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:

so if WOW, or any other MMO let you pay money and get max level, with all the skills/etc.... that wouldnt be a problem for you?

Please quit videogames now. you are the cancer that is ruining my videogames.


Pretty sure that with the last few expansions of WOW you get to "level up" a character to the max level of the previous expansion, plus all the "skills" in that game are bought once for a gold piece or two or handed to you when you level up now....

Now if you had mentioned Everquest, back when there were hell-levels and no bonus EXP hotspots and you had to go to Freeport or the Common Lands to buy/sell ****, you might have had a soapbox to stand on there....

Do you even video game, bro?
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#18 - 2016-02-29 19:39:54 UTC
You can't win eve. Eve is a sandbox.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

MadTrojan Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-02-29 19:42:14 UTC
Capsule Collector wrote:
If you really believe that having more SP than another person is the predominant factor in who wins a fight, then trying to explain to you why Skill Injectors are not P2W is a futile effort.


Was intended to be a constructive post; hence any thought posted was valid.

Unless intended as trolling.
So the only unconstructive points is not making one at all!

Better yet, assuming that it's a futile effort to explaining to me; why they are not p2w but make a comment that leads to no constructive point.

Was that not futile in the first place?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#20 - 2016-02-29 19:52:34 UTC
What is the difference between skill injectors and buying a character with the needed skills from the character bazaar? Before the injectors I could just buy and sell Plex then use the isk to purchase someone else's preskilled character. So really, what changed?

The cost maybe and that you inject skills to a character of your choosing instead of getting a premade character. Still, if you consider buying skills as pay-to-win, then the character bazaar allowed for that option long before injectors.
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