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If CCP truly want to stop the DCU from being a must have mod then they need to nerf it not in structure but in the shield and armour bonuses it gives. Take away the armour and shield bonus, convert all current DCU mods into a dedicated hull omni resist mod and reduce the T2 bonuses down to 50%. Add in a range of new DCU/hull mods that provide EM, Explosive, Kinetic and Thermal bonus of 37.5%.

This will remove the need to fit the DCU on all ships like today and provide a big buff to hull tanking. Yes this is a nerf to everyone that currently fits a DCU but if CCP want the DCU to stop being a must have mod we are going to have to take the pain but at least this way we are going to buff a neglected form of tank that have never really been a viable option on anything but freighters and the bait brutix.

(numbers are just an example and would be different if implemented, keep in mind they need to take into account the lack of resists in structure).

DC is a powerful module. It's not surprising that fits that try to maximize their ehp or resists end up using it. Especially long range/kiting ships can get by without, now even more readily so. The big change here are mostly the passive damage controls, which will most likely also be handy in gate/station camps when latency (or cloaks when going onto a smartbomb camp) are in play.



As far as freighter ehp goes. Isn't this just all a public display of crocodile tears in an environment where (jump) freighters are getting ganked running empty , even those without triple expanders? It's all visible on zkill. You'll also find essentially empty triple bulkhead Obelisks there, ganked with catalysts. That may not happen anymore with an ehp buff. I'm not sure this is a bad thing.

Nooooo....my anshar with 880,000 EHP!!!!!!

Oh you!

No you didn't, you went over doctrine ships for fleet based combat, most of which are fit in the same was. This is exactly what I've been saying, that you are consider fits only from a limited viewpoint. Consider that not everyone fits in the same ways or for the same reasons and people put different amounts of preference on different stats. Being able to keep some of the defense while improving another area guarantees that at least some people will use it.

Again though, make a suggestion if you want to improve it. Just saying it's wrong is pointless.

Because right now they give a small amount more defense than they will, so right now removing them drops the ship below what would be considered an acceptable level. Afterwards it won't.

No, because all you'd do is decide that you have a different preference for the stats and claim you;d fit it another way. How you would fit a ship isn't relevant when talking about how everyone else will fit their ships, so I have no intention of turning this into an EFT warrior discussion.

I think you're a lot more likely to see them dropped on anything that fits less than two damage mods currently. I'd expect to see it most on t1 frigates and destroyers for short fights. For something like a buffer frigate that's already fairly tanky, like the merlin, trading a DC for a magstab make sense for fights against a SAAR or single MASB fits and is a pretty viable trade. Even a small amount of DPS makes a big difference in a fight vs an active tank ship once you've broken their active tank.

Otherwise, I think that the change will mostly benefit anti tackle cruisers and maybe a few other kiting ships. If flown right, ships like the cookie cutter nomen or RLML SFI are only ever really dealing with drone DPS. For them, I don't think you'll see extra damage mods fit. In the case of the nomen, it makes fitting a second nano a little more viable and given the nerf this playstyle took from the hictor buff it's not going to break the game.

In terms of the balance between the gained DPS vs lost EHP, pretty much any scenario from the above examples would result in proportionately more EHP being lost than DPS gained, but that isn't really a bad thing. For most frigates, not fitting a DCU and gaining the new base resist to structure is enough new buffer to tank one more volley. I think that's the kind of balancing that's good for keeping high risk, high reward gameplay in check.

Time will tell, but I don't think this change is going to result in a big disturbance to the current metagame, just a little tweaking in specific corners of it. As for this thread, as usual, it's devolved again into a couple of parties engaged in a pointless struggle to win unwinnable arguments. To an outsider, both sides look absolutely insane and could probably benefit from a little stint in the time-out corner.

Gentlemen, what makes you think that freighters will in the end receive structure EHP buff if stated reason is to counteract DC changes, which freighters can't fit? Sure, exception is possible.

Okay, so you can't post a current fit that does have a DC, but post patch won't.

Whatever.

What that mean to me is that ships have too much structure HP when a single mod can be that valuable...

The OP, where it is stated that the Freighters get the same bonus and it is an intended nerf to ganking.