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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#1 - 2012-01-11 19:07:53 UTC
I am a bit shocked that I didn't find any threads on this. Null has it's 25% range modifier increased to 40% on SISSI. Discuss.
Goose99
#2 - 2012-01-11 19:17:18 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I am a bit shocked that I didn't find any threads on this. Null has it's 25% range modifier increased to 40% on SISSI. Discuss.


+15% of very little range, yay.Lol
Biced
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-11 19:19:13 UTC
guess if you keep crying about something long enough ccp buffs it?
again?

so next stage is starting another post that blasters will still suck after null is changed and we get more blaster buffs?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#4 - 2012-01-11 19:31:24 UTC
I saw it. I'm not sold on it, but its probably not as dangerous as the AF buff giving +1 slot and +1 bonus and +fittings and +HP and +role bonus...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#5 - 2012-01-11 19:36:27 UTC
It's too much imo. We'll see how it works out - betting on whine threads about Gallente popping up 1 month after the buff goes through tho.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-01-11 19:43:54 UTC
Meh, not interested.
If your blasters don't have Void in them, youre not getting the point of blasters.

(Yes, i realize the extra range will be useful on certain ships but if you want DPS projection, use lasers or ACs.)

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Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2012-01-11 19:50:18 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Meh, not interested.
If your blasters don't have Void in them, youre not getting the point of blasters.

(Yes, i realize the extra range will be useful on certain ships but if you want DPS projection, use lasers or ACs.)


http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12111572

Talos + Drake vs. 3 Canes, Tornado, Ishtar, Stiletto and Sabre. Ignore the other kills which show up on related, we made those later. Ammo used was Null, because Void is useless in these fights.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-01-11 19:56:23 UTC
Kingwood wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Meh, not interested.
If your blasters don't have Void in them, youre not getting the point of blasters.

(Yes, i realize the extra range will be useful on certain ships but if you want DPS projection, use lasers or ACs.)


http://genos.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12111572

Talos + Drake vs. 3 Canes, Tornado, Ishtar, Stiletto and Sabre. Ignore the other kills which show up on related, we made those later. Ammo used was Null, because Void is useless in these fights.


Null is pretty nice. I feel totally comfortable staying at 25-30km in my Talos. I feel like I can apply reasonable DPS out to 35-40km if I really have to - certainly enough to solo a cane until some jerks ninja in on my kill. :P

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-11 20:03:50 UTC
Kingwood wrote:
It's too much imo. We'll see how it works out - betting on whine threads about Gallente popping up 1 month after the buff goes through tho.

still clueless go l2pvp
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-01-11 20:13:31 UTC
Yeah, I always carry Null. I am really excited for this change. Allows for a tiny bit more range, and it will make a nice difference inside point range.

Im travelling - does anyone know what medium electrons/ions/neutrons range is with null before/after? Might be a real reason for Gal hulls to fit TEs more often over a second or third mag stab...

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Kingwood
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2012-01-11 20:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kingwood
Hrett wrote:
Yeah, I always carry Null. I am really excited for this change. Allows for a tiny bit more range, and it will make a nice difference inside point range.

Im travelling - does anyone know what medium electrons/ions/neutrons range is with null before/after? Might be a real reason for Gal hulls to fit TEs more often over a second or third mag stab...


It is not "a tiny bit more range". This change will push Blasters into FOTM territory, while right now it's actually pretty balanced.

Naomi Knight wrote:
Kingwood wrote:
It's too much imo. We'll see how it works out - betting on whine threads about Gallente popping up 1 month after the buff goes through tho.

still clueless go l2pvp


k

Liang Nuren wrote:


Null is pretty nice. I feel totally comfortable staying at 25-30km in my Talos. I feel like I can apply reasonable DPS out to 35-40km if I really have to - certainly enough to solo a cane until some jerks ninja in on my kill. :P

-Liang


Null is my standard ammo on all my main Gallente ships (i.e. Deimos and Talos). I almost never use Void/AM unless it's for a quick gank.
Dyaven
#12 - 2012-01-11 20:28:11 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I saw it. I'm not sold on it, but its probably not as dangerous as the AF buff giving +1 slot and +1 bonus and +fittings and +HP and +role bonus...

-Liang


I, for one, welcome our new Assault Frigate overlords. \o/ (Seriously, I've wanted the Enyo to be good for sooooooo long.)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-01-11 20:32:35 UTC
Assault frigs are going to obsolete interceptors and faction frigs. Potentially cruisers and maybe some HACs too.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Born Again Gallente
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-11 20:32:44 UTC
Lots of talk about how OP it's going to be and still not a single mention of what effective blaster range /w null will be?

I assume someone has dones the math, so lets all see it eh?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-01-11 20:33:30 UTC
Kingwood wrote:

It is not "a tiny bit more range". This change will push Blasters into FOTM territory, while right now it's actually pretty balanced.


I'm *REALLY* concerned that this is going to be true.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2012-01-11 20:35:01 UTC
Born Again Gallente wrote:
Lots of talk about how OP it's going to be and still not a single mention of what effective blaster range /w null will be?

I assume someone has dones the math, so lets all see it eh?


Its really easy to see what your blaster range is going to be. Load up your favorite ship with the default ammo (Iron, I believe). Multiple optimal and falloff times 1.4. I've done some work on this before and posted my results - you can feel free to browse my posting history to find it.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Born Again Gallente
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-11 20:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Born Again Gallente
Liang Nuren wrote:
Born Again Gallente wrote:
Lots of talk about how OP it's going to be and still not a single mention of what effective blaster range /w null will be?

I assume someone has dones the math, so lets all see it eh?


Its really easy to see what your blaster range is going to be. Load up your favorite ship with the default ammo (Iron, I believe). Multiple optimal and falloff times 1.4. I've done some work on this before and posted my results - you can feel free to browse my posting history to find it.

-Liang


*Lead

But yeah, i'm too lazy to do that for every ship. I was hoping someone had a graph ready. Oops

Also, lol rokh will practically snipe with null loaded.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#18 - 2012-01-11 20:57:29 UTC
I obviously don't use rails often. Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Born Again Gallente
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-11 20:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Born Again Gallente
Ed: I see what you did there.
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-01-11 21:15:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jask Avan
With a minor bit of EFT warrioring, looks to me Rokh with Neutrons/Null will have 17 optimal 18 falloff before other fittings. Probably around 22/28 with a few TEs/TCs fitted. EFT DPS of 864 with 3 magstabs, but tank won't be a whole lot with that much dps and range.
Even on the Rokh fitted with nothing but TEs/TCs, you're getting some three km extra falloff with this change. If Blasters become FOTM, I don't think this'll be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Edit: Aha, I did **** up. I forgot scripts. Still, absolute highest I can get with T2 fit now is 25/34. After is 25/37.8.
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