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That's the average reward on a per contract basis, so to increase efficiency its normal to haul more than 1 contract at a time.

Until 2011, RFF pilots used to link multiple RFF packages together in a double wrap and then haul 3-4 together, plus any other contracts not of RFF origin. Since 2012, the policy is to not double wrap them, but to let all the packages be freely scanned.

My average is to haul 4 contracts simultaneously (from a range of different sources) and using webs, the average time between jumps is 1 min 5 sec.

My average income when hauling is 120 million per hour, which isn't unusual if you are a dedicated hauler. I'm not all that dedicated and usually stop after a couple of hours. With the right contracts, I regularly make 300-350 million in a couple of hours and then go do other things. Some days it takes lonnger, or I decide to stop at a lower income. Some guys just haul constantly and are making great ISK.

1 webbing alt that would exist anyway whether I haul or not because that character also does other things.

The important question is simply am I having fun.

All your talk of opportunity costs and such don't bother me in the slightest. That's just typical Lucas speak to help make stupid arguments. It's a game, not a job.

Your claim that hauling is making less than 30 million per hour is wrong, by a large margin. It's based on a lack of understanding how people actually haul as a profession. No one that hauls effectively makes such poor income.

If we are going to follow this line of fudging numbers then ganking is in a far worse position.



What world do you live in? 157,000 more EHP on ANYTHING is a massive buff. We are talking about a freighter getting the tank of another freighter added to its already massive tank.

Funny how every argument you have made so far has ended with you saying its irrelevant when it was pointed out you were wrong.


To gank an obelisk in 0.6 space will cost 1.25 billion more in talos. That is also not a small number.

You cant gank it with 100 mil of catalysts. Equally expecting people to form up 100 people is unrealistic. Which goes to show that this change in EHP is not a "small change" like you keep on trying to push which I will once again say, is a blatant lie. A lie just like when you said hauling is isk negetive, when you lied about the DCU not being as powerful after this change, when you say there is no defence against ganking and every time to outright refuse to accepty that literally no evidence backs up anything you have said thus far in this thread. You are a pathological lair hell bent on removing an entire playstyle from eve no matter how damaging the change is

Right, these are all "costs", IMO. Trying to ping for 100 people can be a pain. Sure the Imperium can do it, but it also has what...6,000....8,000 RL people in it?

So you spend more time pinging and less time....ganking.

Yes, and change the mechanics you change that choice. This change means you need either more people or more fire power. The former means more time getting people into fleet and the latter means passing by targets you might otherwise have hit. Both translate into less ganking if these effects are big enough. And a 30-35% increase in a freighters EHP is a big change. Everyone gets this but you.

Basically what we'll see is a drive towards larger ganking organizations such as Miniluv and CODE. If more organizations form like that we might see a negligible drop in ganking...but those organizations come with costs. So this change is increasing the costs to ganking and reducing the risks for those who would otherwise be ganked.

Yes...add more people or better ships...but that is no as simple as you make out to be. Adding people means longer form up times. Adding better ships means you need fatter targets. Both mean less ganking.

Why is it you always assume every change always leads back to the status quo?

And a 30% buff to a ships EHP is not a slight change.

ganking been the same for a long time .. was about time for a little change ..


less ganing .. i seriously doupt that ...

That's not choosing that's having something forced upon you. Every single small group out there is getting hit hard by this change.



Again bullshit. Point out to me in what world 157,000 ehp is a small amount.




You saying that and it being true are two very very different things. You are well known round here for your years of nerf calls. Its never going to be enough for you and you have zero interest in balance. As shown by your near total lack of addressing the DCU mod itself.