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Proposal: Rename TES Auctoritas

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Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#41 - 2016-02-27 11:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Do you believe in her return?


I am skeptical an individual like the Empress would have actually gone without a medical clone somewhere. I do half expect her return, albeit not as an "Amarrian." I do not have high expectations for her potential successors.

Wait! I've got a great idea for a system of governance!

Some pod tarts will flit around throwing pew pew at one another, and that will decide the head of state! It would be laughably imbecilic in a bronze age society, let alone, well....


I do not believe it, why is it us. It will be soon be the new Emperor. He will be kind and good, and most importantly do not capsuleer.
Died one Emperor, came to replace the other. The Empress She died does not matter the other Emperor will come.
Is best not to paying attention to all this. Anyway unable to influence the course of of history

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#42 - 2016-02-27 13:40:15 UTC
Certain intel agents managed to track down her new medical clone after the assassination. She's a capsuleer after all, and wouldn't be so unimaginably stupid that she wouldn't have a clone ready and waiting. That said, I doubt we'll ever see her again in any official capacity. Whatever life she chooses to lead is probably going to be in the shadows, evading the boneheaded and anachronistic superstitions about 'godflesh' and such nonsense.

At least those intel reports confirm that these rulers don't take their own religious dogma to heart, other than as a tool to use in their political machinations.
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#43 - 2016-02-27 16:33:06 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Certain intel agents managed to track down her new medical clone after the assassination. She's a capsuleer after all, and wouldn't be so unimaginably stupid that she wouldn't have a clone ready and waiting. That said, I doubt we'll ever see her again in any official capacity. Whatever life she chooses to lead is probably going to be in the shadows, evading the boneheaded and anachronistic superstitions about 'godflesh' and such nonsense.

At least those intel reports confirm that these rulers don't take their own religious dogma to heart, other than as a tool to use in their political machinations.


Again guesses.
If she would have been alive, she would help the how to win drifters. Since she knows more than we. If are not indifferent life of his people. And do not play these stupid riddles

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#44 - 2016-02-27 19:17:08 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Again guesses.


Fact: this Empress was a capsuleer.

Fact: capsuleers have access to medical clones.

Fact: this Empress could afford a medical clone.

Fact: when the pod is destroyed, consciousness transfers to the medical clone.

Fact: this Empress has already made use of a medical clone at least once in the past.

Fact: this Empress possessed extraordinary knowledge of Sleeper civilization because she took a fleet through a wormhole and returned with the technology to create mechanized shock troops.

Fact: the technology used to create mechanized shock troops is more advanced than capsuleer pod technology because it dispenses with the need to have a pod at all.

Fact: this Empress didn't just "have access" to the technology used to dispense with the need to have a pod at all, she was the one who developed it for our Cluster.

Fact: this Empress didn't just "know of" the existence of extraordinarily powerful superweapons, this Empress used one personally.

Fact: the Drifter attack on this Empress was not the first documented use of the Drifter superweapons.

Fact: this Empress therefore knew that Drifter ships possess superweapons.

Fact: this Empress further knew that Drifters are capable of spawning wormholes in any security level of space.

Conclusion based on above facts: this Empress possessed both the means to protect herself against death and the knowledge that death could come at any time.

Because the facts outlined above overwhelmingly support the contention that she could have avoided death as easily as even the least competent new born mechanized shock trooper, the only people "guessing" are those who insist that she is actually dead. Yes, yes, the Amarrian propaganda machine says "she is dead." Oh! An eye rolled out of my head! If only I were as young as Pieter! Come back here! Come back!

Cylindrical Kameira! An eye has gone missing!

Wait... it occurs to me that the Sisters of EVE also possess extraordinary knowledge of ancient technology and, if I am not mistaken, were recently discovered to have been (or are still) operating a remarkable fleet in J-space - a domain in which it further occurs to me (again) that the Empress possessed unusual competence. Yes, this part here is "a guess."
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#45 - 2016-02-27 22:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Where is the scholar who died of a drifters ?

Quote:
Wait... it occurs to me that the Sisters of EVE also possess extraordinary knowledge of ancient technology and, if I am not mistaken, were recently discovered to have been (or are still) operating a remarkable fleet in J-space - a domain in which it further occurs to me (again) that the Empress possessed unusual competence. Yes, this part here is "a guess."


Do not even want to look at the "Bitches" of the SOE, under the guise of of charity, engaged conflicting activities. Capsuleers and the public accept this so easily.


In vain hope she does not come back, because it would look silly.
In this world and Amarrians, she is no longer needed.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#46 - 2016-02-28 00:28:28 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
In vain hope she does not come back, because it would look silly.


I agree there would be an element of "not this trick again" should she return.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2016-02-28 02:05:28 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Where is the scholar who died of a drifters ?

Quote:
Wait... it occurs to me that the Sisters of EVE also possess extraordinary knowledge of ancient technology and, if I am not mistaken, were recently discovered to have been (or are still) operating a remarkable fleet in J-space - a domain in which it further occurs to me (again) that the Empress possessed unusual competence. Yes, this part here is "a guess."


Do not even want to look at the "Bitches" of the SOE, under the guise of of charity, engaged conflicting activities. Capsuleers and the public accept this so easily.


In vain hope she does not come back, because it would look silly.
In this world and Amarrians, she is no longer needed.


You don't need a scholar who died to a Drifter to know what they are capable of. There are plenty of capsuleers who have lost ships and, yes, even podded by Drifters to know just how dangerous they are.

And it seems that you had been living under the rock. When we got to Thera, guess who is already there.

The SOE.

And just recently we also found out that they have a war fleet sitting in Anoikis preparing for some op in Anoikis. Details are not forthcoming.

There are no guesses here, it's just you being obtuse.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#48 - 2016-02-28 02:53:16 UTC
'Obtuse' is certainly one word for it. Though I have sometimes wondered if it is merely a fault in his translation software going from one dialect to another.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#49 - 2016-02-28 08:16:31 UTC

Hmm ... you're right, 'Obtuse'
Renaming the ships, this is all what you are capable.
Yours facts are not worth anything. She did not come back.
You just have to watch the events.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#50 - 2016-02-28 08:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Utari Onzo
What more do you people ******* want? She's gone and if this crap about her having cloned were even true it's been pointed out she'd not likely be able to return, so why would she? It's been months, and here we are still with people rubbing that tired old line in while we're trying to move on.

All the Heirs are capsuleers, will we point fingers at them and say the Shathol'Syn is just a big scam too?

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#51 - 2016-02-28 09:32:00 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:

All the Heirs are capsuleers, will we point fingers at them and say the Shathol'Syn is just a big scam too?


Onlookers would note that Shathol'Syn has been a scam since Khanid opted out the first time and was later accepted back for a second chance. Jamyl came up with another variation on the 'purely optional' approach.

Now, I'm quite comfortable with political expediency for the sake of efficiency, but let's not pretend the wasteful ritual has any modern moral standing.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#52 - 2016-02-28 09:44:42 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:

All the Heirs are capsuleers, will we point fingers at them and say the Shathol'Syn is just a big scam too?


Onlookers would note that Shathol'Syn has been a scam since Khanid opted out the first time and was later accepted back for a second chance. Jamyl came up with another variation on the 'purely optional' approach.

Now, I'm quite comfortable with political expediency for the sake of efficiency, but let's not pretend the wasteful ritual has any modern moral standing.


Modern moral standing. Right. Because the Federation's morals are Universal and should apply to every culture.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#53 - 2016-02-28 11:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Skyweir Kinnison
Utari Onzo wrote:

Modern moral standing. Right. Because the Federation's morals are Universal and should apply to every culture.


Which is the correct answer.

Nonetheless, even by the rules of the Amarr, it's hard to deny that the Shathol'Syn is not completely devalued. It's perfectly fine to recognise this, and move on from a system that wastes so much talent.

Equally, if you want to go on pretending, it's all to the benefit of other Empires for you to lose your brightest and best. Theocracies depend on delusion and magic tricks after all, so there may be some overall political benefit within the Empire itself.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#54 - 2016-02-28 12:07:17 UTC
And what about executing people by means of biological immolation? Getting a crowd so ramped up, that their voices literally activate a chemically induced execution live for everyone to view on the GalNet? How very moral and upright, a great means of enforcing liberty and reforming otherwise talented criminals.

But please, you can go along pretending somehow the Federation knows best. The Empire's methods of Succession have lasted it well for a long time, if it was so harmful it would have stopped being practiced long ago. The Scriptures and the Imperial Laws aren't static and can change and evolve as required.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#55 - 2016-02-28 12:18:20 UTC
I'll give the Imperials this; they're marginally less dishonest in the way they do things than the Federation. At least they don't actually expect the rest of New Eden to actually believe the party line they have on offer. I've said it before and I'll say it again, should the Empire end slavery and the reclaiming, it'd go from the most dangerous nation in New Eden to one of the few that could stand against the Federation's far more insidious imperialist threat.

I sometimes wonder what would happen if the Federation's cultural and political expansionism found itself too ineffective? I suspect we'd see a rather interesting but dangerous shift to military subjugation and expansionism instead.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#56 - 2016-02-28 12:25:34 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
II sometimes wonder what would happen if the Federation's cultural and political expansionism found itself too ineffective? I suspect we'd see a rather interesting but dangerous shift to military subjugation and expansionism instead.


Quiet with that talk, you'll summon those people who go on and on about "The War of Gallente Aggression", when referring to the first or second Caldari-Gallente wars.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#57 - 2016-02-28 12:28:25 UTC
My point is that it has stopped being practiced. Leaders have opted out and been welcomed back.

I understand that as a convert, you have to be seen to be more orthodox than the orthodox, but you're also a thinking man. The point you make about the Scriptures evolving is pertinent for so many policies in the Empire. It's people like you who can embrace the idea of change that will be the future of the Empire - there no need for you to angrily pontificate on behalf of a transparently broken idea.

If the Empress has a legacy worthy of ship naming, surely it's built on wilfully ignoring the constraints of tradition and actually saving her people by so doing.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#58 - 2016-02-28 12:35:00 UTC
If change is required, I'll not have some pompous well-to-do aristocratic Libertarian telling me what it needs to be. Change will come from within the Empire, as it always has, as and when it is deemed necessary. Aye, the Empire could do with shedding some inefficiencies, but we don't need to swallow the Federation's particular brand of medicine.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#59 - 2016-02-28 12:43:24 UTC
I wasn't telling you, I was challenging you to think. I can't recall making even the suggestion that you all start voting (as I have discussed in the past) but noting that the ritual killing of useful people, since it's already being ignored, might be usefully discarded. Even in the Empire, debate is not the same as dictating.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#60 - 2016-02-28 12:50:43 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I'll give the Imperials this; they're marginally less dishonest in the way they do things than the Federation. At least they don't actually expect the rest of New Eden to actually believe the party line they have on offer. I've said it before and I'll say it again, should the Empire end slavery and the reclaiming, it'd go from the most dangerous nation in New Eden to one of the few that could stand against the Federation's far more insidious imperialist threat.

I sometimes wonder what would happen if the Federation's cultural and political expansionism found itself too ineffective? I suspect we'd see a rather interesting but dangerous shift to military subjugation and expansionism instead.



What an odd post. A better example of the "If my Auntie had balls, she'd be..." argument would be hard to find.

In essence, if the Amarr Empire gave up everything that defines it, it would be like the Federation.

If the Federation gave up everything that defines it, it would be like the Amarr Empire.

I suspect that even you are not holding your breath for this scenario.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.