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a question about the market

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Hyeon Ansuya
Kitzedoba Fleet
#1 - 2016-02-26 11:09:54 UTC
When I look for buyers to my goods, I have the feeling that the market only shows me nearby systems, no further away than, say, 6 or 7 jumps. Is that the default setting of the market? Can it be changed to show me the entire galaxy?
Recently I made as far as 18 jumps after having mined omber in the Gallente space and went back to my beloved Amarr space, and I was expecting I'd be able to fetch a handsome price for that mineral which cannot be found in Amarr space apparently. However, the price wasn't that awesome, and I wonder if there's a way to show the best buyers in the whole galaxy, or in a larger space than the local sector anyways. Possibly including very low sec space?
Luna Bowman
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-02-26 11:40:26 UTC
Market orders are shown based on region you are currently in. If you want to compare between regions, you can use external website aggregators, like eve-central.com :)
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-02-26 12:21:19 UTC
Market browser options can be set to show orders on station / system / region - and thats all. Use EvE Central as it was said above.

Don't expect huge profit by selling ore or some low-grade stuff: difference in prices between regions in HiSec is not big enough. You may check main trading hubs if you're interested in trading.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-02-26 12:26:08 UTC
To the right of your search button at the top of your left-hand menu in the market is a gear wheel. That is where all of your settings are. There's not much. You can limit search to solar system or station or region but that's it. I think new players wind up only being able to see their station but it's been so long that I can't say for sure.

I also recommend that new players uncheck the "show only available" box so you can use the market UI for getting familiar with what is available in game.

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Memphis Baas
#5 - 2016-02-26 12:55:01 UTC
Hyeon Ansuya wrote:
I was expecting I'd be able to fetch a handsome price for that mineral which cannot be found in Amarr space apparently. However, the price wasn't that awesome.


The price wasn't awesome because you're not the first player to come up with the idea of inter-region trading. You'd think that non-Amarr ships and gear wouldn't be available in Amarr space, but they are. There are thousands of player traders, capable of flying freighters (400,000 m3 cargo), looking for the slightest price difference between buy and sell locations, so they can make a profit.

It's not just hub-to-hub, either: there are price differences between the trade hub and the entrances to various 0.0 regions, between the hubs and the starter newbie school stations, hubs and agent mission hotspots, etc.

As far as the mineral difference between high, low, and null sec, it's like this:

- high sec is crowded and has only the lower ores (people transport the higher minerals in, or obtain them from recycling loot).

- low sec is full of pirates and PVP'ers, allowing only ninja-mining (why the mining frigates were introduced).

- null has recently been revamped to be more self-sufficient, they have all the ores and minerals there.

EVE has had 100,000 players for more than 10 years; we've figured out the obvious profits by now. The game has a much more complex manufacturing system than other MMO's though, so it's still possible to make profit. Also, people are lazy and want their stuff at their door, so there's profit there too. Just look beyond the obvious.
Luna Bowman
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-02-26 17:59:59 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:

- low sec is full of pirates and PVP'ers, allowing only ninja-mining (why the mining frigates were introduced).


This is a bit of an overstatement, but one does have to be careful in both lowsec and 0.0 systems.
Luna Bowman
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-02-26 18:08:31 UTC
double post, please delete :)
Memphis Baas
#8 - 2016-02-26 21:08:17 UTC
IMO, you can "be careful" in high-sec and manage to get your mining barge away because of it, but mostly because of the limits put in place by the Concord response time and actions they take against the attackers.

In low sec or null, no amount of being careful can negate the fact that a mining barge is simply the wrong ship to try to mine with. Given the mining barge agility and defenses, and what happens if you operate with the expectation that you'll have time to actually fill the ore hold... it's the wrong ship.
Hyeon Ansuya
Kitzedoba Fleet
#9 - 2016-02-27 10:33:43 UTC
Thanks everyone for the very kind reply! I still find the market a bit confusing, but I'm definitely using the EVE Central site for now :)
It's still strange. Once it told me that I could sell a type of ore at 200 ISK if I went to a certain system. I went there, but I only managed to sell it at 100. That was still good compared to the system I mined it from, but still confusing as to why only half the price. I guess there is some mechanic I'm failing to notice....
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-02-27 11:32:44 UTC
Hyeon Ansuya wrote:
Thanks everyone for the very kind reply! I still find the market a bit confusing, but I'm definitely using the EVE Central site for now :)
It's still strange. Once it told me that I could sell a type of ore at 200 ISK if I went to a certain system. I went there, but I only managed to sell it at 100. That was still good compared to the system I mined it from, but still confusing as to why only half the price. I guess there is some mechanic I'm failing to notice....


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Iria Ahrens
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#11 - 2016-02-27 13:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
There are also eve-central based scams. A player can put a high-priced buy order in one region and then another high-priced sell order in another region. Eve-central spits out the trade. Player travels to the sell region buys out goods, then seller cancels the buy order.

Always make sure the prices are inherently good before buying, don't depend on specific sell orders. That way, of you arrive at station and the buy order is closed out, you can just make your own sell order, and probably make a better profit anyway.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-02-27 18:00:41 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
IMO, you can "be careful" in high-sec and manage to get your mining barge away because of it, but mostly because of the limits put in place by the Concord response time and actions they take against the attackers.

In low sec or null, no amount of being careful can negate the fact that a mining barge is simply the wrong ship to try to mine with. Given the mining barge agility and defenses, and what happens if you operate with the expectation that you'll have time to actually fill the ore hold... it's the wrong ship.



Nah. Slap a higgs rig on it, mine aligned, and keep an eye on local.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#13 - 2016-02-28 02:21:21 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
In low sec or null, no amount of being careful can negate the fact that a mining barge is simply the wrong ship to try to mine with. Given the mining barge agility and defenses, and what happens if you operate with the expectation that you'll have time to actually fill the ore hold... it's the wrong ship.


Which is why you mine in fleets in 0.0.

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