EVE General Discussion

This is the end.

We are doomed.

Doomed

Guess i started too late.

EvE R died.

Well, historically CCP has had issues with documenting stuff. Many of the issues with old code come from the fact that nobody documented it, so new developers must do a forensic examination and retroengineer it to figure what's going on and how to work with it. That is compounded by how most of the old code was written as stackless Python, which is a very flexible coding tool but also haves an habit of hiding everything within black boxes.CCP develeped EVE with too little people in too litle time and too little budget, and so they had to cut the effort. Documenting software takes away time from coding, so they went for fully coding and no documenting.

Fast forward 13 years. Development processes have changed, have evolved, but some things never were learned. Now CCP is using Agile development, which is a fast way to code but requires extensive control and documentation. So we must suppose that now with Agile develpment stuff gets documented internally, yet that's just a guess. Some Glassdoor reviews point that CCP's development still is chaotic and mismanaged to the point that sometimes a team will destroy the ongoing work of another team. That is related with other CCP issues, lack of middle management and internal promotion (essential for agile development) and cliqueism (detrimental for everything skill related).

Enter customers/players. They don't need to know the code, just how to use it. That requires that someone CCP gathered all information of all teams working on code, plus backtraced every functioning system (undocumented) and its evolution (when and if and how was it updated) to establish a "image" of the status of the game in a given date. This, while the game keeps evolving at a frantic pace of change-of-the-month. It would be difficult since old undocumented code is old and undocumented, but would be the only way in which CCP could serve well the users of their software by providing an authoritative and updated source of information.

Regretfully, EVElopedia likely was "that guy's idea", which was implemented "back then" and once "that guy" quit, nobody ever looked onto it. Probably because it was -huh- undocumented.

Players also are disincentivized to document stuff; certain mechanics can be used for profit and advantage, and sharing them publicly would remove the advantage.The incentives for documenting "everything you know" are small and probably nobody wants to share but the bare basics... and now they'll be certain that CCP won't go out explaining stuff like "how to set up an Alliance" (just to mention a real case I was involved with).

We can bet that the shiny-new-idea being implemented (flight academy or whatever) will cover just some of the basics, will never go any further with really old stuff and will languish over time since, hey, players already are doing a better job than CCP could bother itself to do...

To be honest it's a resource I've actively avoided using for certain purposes due to often being incomplete and out of date. I remember when the tier 3 BCs were released and not being able to find any info on them for months. Then later the ship rebalances started kicking into gear. EVElopedia started having the same update issue on a much wider scale.

As a repository of info that didn't change very often if ever it does tend to have info which is useful and not present even in other wikis, but the lack of it going forward will likely see that info populated in other resources.

Sad to see it go for what it did have and for the lack of an official resource this creates, but not all that sad since the official resource was often not the best for many uses. Would prefer some more dedication to it, but I suppose this keeps the lack of updates from becoming misinformation from an official resource from another route.

Not sure I like the idea of flight academy videos being a replacement for easily searchable text resources on mechanics either...

Boo.

If anyone can port the records and upload for posterity...
I'll toss in a plex for them.


Edit.
I just downloaded it

I have Removed the offending post, and those quoting it.

Well, the portion I used most often were the cosmic signature ratting guides. I've copied over the data from Evelopedia and am in the process of standardizing the formatting of them (including listing escalations on the same page as the original unrated sites that produce them) and posting them on my blog, in a separate page for easy reference.

You can find it at http://targetcaller.blogspot.com/p/cosmic-signature-ratting-guide.html, where it will be long-term.

Look at it this way. (scratch that). Look at it that way!

This. I kind of doubt that Eve Uni or Brave give a tinkers damn about the lore and backstory. Their purpose is to teach newbs how to do stuff and possibly not get killed.

Also, why the hell should I have to turn to third party sites in order to find out information that should be OFFICIAL, CCP AUTHORED and DEFINITIVE? Oh well, it's not like CCP likes using its own official communication channels that much anyway. Now off to follow Reddit, Twitter, Tweetfleet, etc. so I can find out what's happening in Eve...

Came back to Eve on the 25th. Did not notice this information about the shutdown. Spent 5h updating my personnal character RP sheet on Evelopedia during the last TQ down.
And of course, the dump was done on the 25th so I can't find it back there...

Well, my bad I guess.

But can we at least know if those "In character" RP pages will be transfered in this so call new plateform as well ?

I was hopping to leave a mark in the lore with that. Would be most disappointed if it were to just..disappear.