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Exploration in WH.
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Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-02-26 14:29:40 UTC
Just a quick comment.

For those of us that explore in WHs, I think the data and relic sites should consistently hold at least a few items of considerable value in the market. I scanned down a data site yesterday and all I got was similar items that are found in hi-sec data sites. Most of the items are unsellable or of very low value on the market. yes, yes, I realize market values can change over time but these items have been nearly worthless for over a year.

I just feel if an explorer is worth taking the fairly high risks of probing in a WH, the rewards should be consistently high. I think that having at least one 20M ISK item per site is not an unreasonable expectation.

Thank you for reading my whine. CCP ROX!
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#2 - 2016-02-26 14:54:33 UTC
data sites are my nightmare i fail hack one container to despawn it within hour . you should focus on relic sites which are decent loot sites. just be warned the pirate-faction relic sites spawn only in class 1 , class 2 and class 3 wormholes theres only sleeper relic/data in class 4 class5 and class6 howewer you can get mix of pirate data/relic and sleeper data/relic in shattered wormholes they can spawn botht ype of sites
Duo Roman
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#3 - 2016-02-26 15:28:38 UTC
Pirate relic sites in wormhole rarely contain less than 15m ISK in loot. If you got less it is probably because you failed the most difficult cans.

Data sites on the other hand are somewhere between 1m and 10m nowadays, maybe more if you get lucky. Not counting faction towers BPC that may appear on some cans.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-02-26 23:29:16 UTC
Relic sites have shown lower value than data sites for about a year. It seems to me exploration is not worth it, even with my Helios. The real tough sites have sleepers nearby and I cannot tackle them with my ships.

Oh crap.
Makarni
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-02-26 23:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Makarni
Exploration system is too easy (the part people complain about anyway). I don't know why people feel so entitled to guaranteed high value loot at such a low skill intensity. Try running high sec L4 with similar SP spent in low level exploration, mission running is far more risky in comparison.

Not trying to be a **** but really, people hugely over estimate the risk involved in low level exploration and seem to think it requires billions per month in compensation.

If you had to train into black ops to run prof sites then I could justify the crazy rewards people feel so entitled to gain in a cheap little cov ops frigate.
Kennedy Lincoln
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-02-26 23:41:30 UTC
Makarni wrote:
Exploration system is too easy (the part people complain about anyway). I don't know why people feel so entitled to guaranteed high value loot at such a low skill intensity. Try running high sec L4 with similar SP spent in low level exploration, mission running is far more risky in comparison.


Harumph. So easy to say when you have the ISK and SP to build a ship that can withstand heavy duty pirates. Plus obviously you don't know the risk of exploring in a WH. Perhaps you don't read these things before replying.

Plus the point was - same loot in hi-sec as in WH for certain sites. Try hacking a site in a WH that is occupied and has sleepers. Go ahead. Hi-sec is easy.
Makarni
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-02-27 00:00:11 UTC
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Makarni wrote:
Exploration system is too easy (the part people complain about anyway). I don't know why people feel so entitled to guaranteed high value loot at such a low skill intensity. Try running high sec L4 with similar SP spent in low level exploration, mission running is far more risky in comparison.


Harumph. So easy to say when you have the ISK and SP to build a ship that can withstand heavy duty pirates. Plus obviously you don't know the risk of exploring in a WH. Perhaps you don't read these things before replying.

Plus the point was - same loot in hi-sec as in WH for certain sites. Try hacking a site in a WH that is occupied and has sleepers. Go ahead. Hi-sec is easy.


I know the *genuine risks of WH space. It has it's up sides and downsides as does both low and nul. Like it or not WH space is not that risky.. that's why many explorers use them as bridges to nul sec to avoid ''people''.

The rest is your own self inflicted risk. I would not try to run a complex in a low sec with pirates in system.. so don't complain if you run a site and get fked in a occupied WH. Similarly I would not run a L4 mission with ought popping the scram frigs first or using the correct tank.

Many WH's I've gone into were empty and they are a lot less accessible than a typical pocket low sec system for example. In other words a lot less likely you will be disturbed by a roam or pirate. Sounds like you expect to jump into any old WH with no regard to occupants, run a site and get payed high grade every site.

Problem with that?. When a corp/alliance has a WH space locked down and properly protected they will farm the fk out of sites (as they do) and W/E loot increase you are asking for will soon enough flood the market and become pointless once more. CCP can not give sites a ''set'' isk rate because while it will make things better for a single explorer like yourself, corps and alliances will be making game breaking amounts.
Suzanne Khale
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#8 - 2016-02-27 15:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Suzanne Khale
Kennedy Lincoln wrote:
Makarni wrote:
Exploration system is too easy (the part people complain about anyway). I don't know why people feel so entitled to guaranteed high value loot at such a low skill intensity. Try running high sec L4 with similar SP spent in low level exploration, mission running is far more risky in comparison.


Harumph. So easy to say when you have the ISK and SP to build a ship that can withstand heavy duty pirates. Plus obviously you don't know the risk of exploring in a WH. Perhaps you don't read these things before replying.

Plus the point was - same loot in hi-sec as in WH for certain sites. Try hacking a site in a WH that is occupied and has sleepers. Go ahead. Hi-sec is easy.


What are you talking about? Exploring is totally right, I myself made runs of 120-180million ISK in few hours. Probably you don't have enough experience to judge:

- If you talk of Sleepers in Data/Relic sites you don't even know where to look (Class 1-3 WHs), you don't know what's a pirate site, you generally don't know a lot of stuff. Ask instead instead of criticizing.

- Some relic sites easily drop 70millions and more in Armor Plates and I-beam alloys. If you run in a system with 3-4 relic sites, which if you know where to look it's not that hard, you can come out of a single WH with 100+ millions ISK loot.

- If you are concerned about PVP, use an Astero or a Stratios

- WH is more safe than Null, but you need to know what you are doing. Check D-Scan, check the POSes, active or not? Check the WH history. If you cannot be arsed to do this work, go straight for the sites, most of times no one will harass you.

- You got ganked? Your ship cost is covered with a single run.

- Coming off a Data site with 5-10millions seems to cheap? Do you noticed that a Data site get cleared in 10 minutes? HOw much ISK do you want from that?

Really, people complaining on Exploration reward makes me laugh. I made billions with that, had a lot of fun PvP and had so much satisfaction intercepting a destroying care bears like you.

Now, here the secrets of exploration. You want to find sites? This is how you do it:

- Open map, check systems with low traffic 5-10 jumps/hour. Rest assured that most of WHs in those systems haven't been looted, you have chances of finding 3,4,5 relic sites in one WH. My record is 11 sites.

- Check D-Scan. You see Probes? Leave. You see a Stratios? Leave. You see an Imicus? Leave.

- Learn the Hacking game. I am sure you perfectly know the numbers which pops up when you click a node means. Get practical and open a Ruin can in 1-2minutes. I got Archaeology 4 and I fail less than 1/10 of the cans I try to hack.

- And, for God sake, do not complain. Adapt. Think. EvE is a sand box. Study your problem, find a solution.
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-02-27 20:38:12 UTC
Is this like a bum festival or something? Everyone posting on forum alts?