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now:

Hull-HP divided by 0.4 ( which is equal to 1- 60 % hull resistance) = 2.50 ehp

after patch: Hull-HP multiplied by 1.33 and divided by 0.6 (1 - 40 % hull resistance) = 2.22 ehp

Nope:

damage control has a bonus of 60 % to hull, 12.5 % to shield and 15 % to armor RIGHT NOW

PRE patch :)

Your math is wrong.

Here, whip out EFT, and try your formula with armor resists and check it against EFT.

Or go here.

Edit: Example using a Maller...

Native thermal armor resist: 0.48
Adding an Armor Thermic Hardener II with resists of 0.55

1 - (1 - 0.48)*(1 - 0.55) = 0.766.

EFT says: 0.766 resists.

I know there's quote limits, so the rest of your quotes I'm just going to italicize.

You're making an assumption that requires multiple targets of otherwise equal value to be present at the same time, where the gankers just decide not to attack one freighter because they magically know the packages inside the NPC-pilot's cargo are from RFF. This isn't the case and it's unreasonable to assume such a case. Freighters pass through chockepoints all the time with no other freighters coming through the pipe. These areas are busy, but they're not Jita Undock busy at all times. There are many times RFF-involved freighters are the only ones on grid, and they still don't get hit. Why? Because they put in an amount of effort that dramatically raises the amount of effort gankers have to put in to achieve a kill (or profit from it). It's really that simple.

because pilots who aren't in RFF which we don't have stats for are likely killed at a much higher rate

You can double or triple a trivial base number, and you end up with a Dilbert comic that did this exact thing. When you make yourself the butt of a joke Dilbert did about ten years ago, you're know you're not on the right track.

I can quite happily dismiss the data without any problems thanks.

And you can also quite happily say the Earth is flat and the Sun revolves around you. You'd be just as correct doing so and look just as smart for making that assertion. If you dismiss facts out of hand and say you live in your own reality where facts aren't real but your own gut instincts are, why do you think you deserve to be part of any rational or reasonable discussion among adults?

Here a fact for you, it's impossible to make a freighter ungankable short of refusing to undock it

And? Why is that a problem for you? Why is that something that needs to be rectified? That is a baseline fact of EVERY ship, from rookie ship to titan, that everyone else seems to understand but you. But you bring that specific line up again and again as if it's some sort of strange anomaly that only effects freighters.

Golly gosh, well clearly with you guys being in support of him, he must be right! It's not like you guys band together to attack people who's opinions oppose yours right?


So wait a minute now. Now your argument is that people that share similar opinions tend to agree?

This is an argument, how?

And you're presenting as some sort of conspiracy theory?

Yes, people who share similar opinions on a particular topic tend to, well, agree. Is this a surprise to you? When you opine on something and your friends agree, do you argue with them for the sake of arguing? Would it surprise you to learn that in the real world, lots of people with similar opinions congregate together to create things like political parties?

I thought the absolute height of idiocy was your claim that people are somehow wrong for playing the game right. But now you've managed to take a very basic element of how the real world operates, act shocked and chagrined at this apparent revelation, and then present it as some sort of conspiracy theory against yourself.

Over the course of this thread you've claimed that facts won't change your position once you've taken up an opinion on something, that people playing the game right are to be ignored and the game must continuously be changed to accommodate people who refuse to learn how to play, and that people speaking up with opinions contrary to your own are in on some sort of conspiracy against you. Dude, pack up and go home. You're done here. You have no credibility in this discussion and your connection with reality is now suspect at best.

Yay, finally an officer damage control,

I like the new changes to hull resists, and how freighters will be more tanky.

There is little freigher ganking? 30-50 successfull freighter ganks happen every day. Thats a lot when you consider that freighters are not dirt-cheap throw-away ships like the ganker's catalysts.

Try half that value. Less than 15 per day in January, and not all of those were to gankers.

Put another way, some 0.6 deaths per hour. Given the number floating about, that is a tiny fraction.

No, your math is wrong. Maybe the resists on the test server are different, but that does not change the fact that you are applying the wrong formula to calculate resists. I have shown how my formula works in two cases, one using a DC, pre and post patch, and also for a thermal armor hardener.

And my numbers post patch do NOT include a 60% resist to hull, but a 40% resist along with the native resists of 33%.

Okay. One. More. Time. On. The Formula.

Pre-Patch effect of slapping a DC II on a ship.

1 - (1-0.6) = 0.6

Okay, HandelsPharmi, do you see the bolded, italicized, and underlined number? That is the pre-patch resist that applies when putting a DC II on a ship.

Post-Patch effect of slapping a DC II on a ship.

1 - (1-(1/3))*(1-0.4) = 0.6

or using all fractions:

1 - (1 - (1/3))*(1 - (2/5)) = 1 - (2/3)*(3/5) = 1 - (2/5) = 1 - 0.4 = 0.6

HandelsPharmi, do you see the bolded, italicized and underlined 1/3? That is the post patch change to native hull resists. Next, do you see the bolded, italicized and underlined 0.4? That is the hull resists for putting a DC II on a ship.

Note these are POST PATCH numbers from the OP. Maybe on the test server they have different numbers which could give you a different answer, but that formula is the correct one.

Of course, maybe they changed the formula...but that would be a major change and they should be telling us, IMO. They also might have been lazy and just put in something like 0.33 vs. 1/3 which will also give you a slightly different answer (0.598 hull resists).

What Morrigan wrote. What we need to look at is the rate of ganking. Also, we need to consider that many of those ganked are flying stupidly (way too much ISK value for the cargo, no scout, no webbing, some even AFK auto-piloting).

Try this. Get an expensive non-freighter ship, put some really blingy modules on it and start having it autopilot back and forth through the pipe from Jita to Dodixie. My guess is if you do it enough, you will get ganked. Because you were dumb. Very, very dumb. In this game being dumb comes with an actual cost.

Ratting carriers have nothing in common with freighters.