EVE General Discussion

So I play a game and manipulate the system so I make money off it as a side gig. Prove it, you can't.
I steal from a corp wallet, use it to buy Plex and sell those to alliance members on the side for $5 you can't prove it, neither can I. CCP can't prove it and they have better tools to monitor this than I do. They just don't have the man hours to dedicate to it.

I already said, I don't blame CCP for RMT but I'm not so stupid as to think it doesn't happen just because I can't "prove" it.

Moon Goo is an I-Win button. Because you can't get it anywhere else. Ignore all the stuff about RMT, see it strictly from a mechanics perspective. It's bad mechanics to have so much in the hands of so few.

I think the leaders of the NC would like to have a word with you. Or for that matter the leaders of BoB before that. Look how much high-end moon goo the russians have had, historically. Yet they are here. NC and BoB are not.

Repetaing old rumors dont make them any more true. Im not saying that it didnt happen. I'm saying that all that anybody has put forward regarding that issue is rumours. And to me, thats not something I use energy on.

As for the reason BoB and NC imploded, if you for a minute think that it was solely because their leaders RMTd away all the isk, you really dont give due credit to the people actually involved on their enemies side.

You are playing for game glory. Phalic, game glory. NC fell, thier wallets were never conquered.

Smugglers don't leave tracks. It doesn't really matter though. You know what though? Instinct tells me CCP aren't complacent. If they were I would have been banned by now.

It was the lack of isk for replacement ships and the fact the NC sold all of their capitals that resulted in its collapse. We saw all of the in fighting and raging at CFC for not dragging them to victory. The only difference with WN is they didnt sell the supers.

Most people have no idea just how big a cluster **** both alliences were when they came under attack because of this lack of funding of fleets for defence.

No, I can't prove it, but I can say with certainty that rmt and botting occur in Eve (I do not engage in either by the way). Frankly, I think anyone who says otherwise is either naive or (more likely) a participant. But as has been repeatedly pointed out, it is nigh impossible for anyone to present satisfactory proof one way or the other in the context of these forums. Not to mention that this is a discussion forum, people come here to exchange thoughts and opinions, not present evidence. If you want evidence, go find it, don't just blindly post demanding that someone come along and with proof, otherwise it's somehow proven that rmt doesn't happen.

One thing is for sure, Eve is better off without rmt and botting, so I support and applaud any efforts to eradicate these things.

No. Where things fall apart is when people put words in other peoples mouths and bicker like we are doing now. I never said, neither did anyway else that 100% of russians are RMT accounts, 100% of bots are RMT accounts, 100% of goonfed is RMT machine. You spin and role out drama queen, blanket statements, misrepresent what gets said, play sin meister all to win some stupid ******* argument on a thread that will blink out of eternal exsistence in a day or two.

RMT hurts EVE. EVE is a breeding ground for RMT. Null Sec is designed for RMT to work and that's nobodies "OPINION" but mine. I stay in high sec, play in my one man corp. Do my thing, they can all go **** themselves for all I care. When someone says, "you should go to null" I comment, like you and a thousand other people. No, here is why. That's it, that's all. No grand conspiracy, no need for you to come in on your white horse to save the poor null bears from evil slander. Overkill.

All wrong. I saw what was going on with the NC internal affairs as did thousands of others as the details were leaked by spies and fought in that war.

The NC should have had enough isk to fund that war forever but they didnt. The replacement programe they had was abismal, their supercap fleet was gutted and continued to be sold to the enemy thoughout the war. Most of the isk made from selling the capitals, the moon goo and taxes vanished into a black hole.

NC FC's were always horrible and the stupidly overpowered supers and titans didnt help but the main reason they fell was because the pilots that made up the fleets couldnt or wouldnt fund their own losses. Does this mean the NC upper leadership took part in RMT? maby. But you would think they would have used those trillions to fight for their own survival if they had it. The fact that they didnt makes you wonder just where did all of that isk vanish off to?

The OP was asking why such a broad sweeping accusation that all Null Alliances RMT.

Yes, a good number of Null Alliances utilize bots but so do high sec icers.

Now, some of those Alliances RMT but not all Null Alliances that utilize Bots RMT, just like not all botters RMT.

RMT is a problem just as botting is a problem, but I suspect that the ease at which people can bot is the real problem, not that people take advantage of the system, for taking advantage of the system is what most EVE players do to certain levels.

CCP is handcuffed to a point.

So people continuously throw **** arround and the next thing you know everybody is the BIG EVIL.

So keep playing the game.

Keep trying to disrupt the activities of those you suspect of RMT'ing.

If not, it just may be the itme for you to hang up the your time in EVE for a bit.

The ironic part is how much of that sold isk could just end up back in the hands of those that sell it Alts that is.

I wonder how many big time traders RMT, not that one would have any 'proof' of that either.


Slade

If you had wanted a reasonable discussion you should have made clear distinction between

(a) single (rank and file) individuals in an alliance participating in such behavior (maybe being tolerated by leadership)

(b) the alliance leadership organizing such behavior on alliance level.


(a) is easy enough to prove (just buy ISK, supercapitals or accounts on any of a dozen forums dedicated to that purpose and see who the guy selling it to you is - it 's not morally bad as long as you only do it For Science).
e.g. here is a post I copied from some RMT forum

looking at the screenshot we see that this guy has a jumpclone in C-J6MT which means that he is/was either a member of Red Alliance (extremely likely), Atlas (maybe), IRC (very unlikely) or one of their allies.

Is this proof for the generalization that MEMBERS OF 0.0 ALLIANCES ENGAGE IN RMT?

(b) will be hard to prove without being a director in one of these alliances. Especially as leadership will always try to make it look like (a) to CCP.