Assembly Hall

I am asking any CSM member who reads this to please ask for CCP to the newest dev blog on overlays in greater detail. The dev blog that was released did absolutely nothing but raise more questions.

Please do not tell me to file a petition as those do not help the player base at all. They only help one player and even then are completely dependent on whatever GM is answering it. It is to subjective.

I am asking for actual examples (screenshots, videos, whatever) to clearly define what is bannable and what is not.

Per the dev blog:

4 .However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans.

i. We do consider overlays using elements of a second or multiple other EVE clients to be against the rules. It changes the way the game is played and grants the player unfair advantages over other players. For example, having overviews from other EVE clients as overlays on one EVE client would allow a player to get real time intel from all those other game instances without having to switch to the other windows. Similarly, overlays using elements from a second or multiple other EVE clients to allow the player to activate modules etc. on those other game instances without switching to the other client windows are clearly in violation of our rules.


So what exactly does this mean? If I use isoboxer or some other software to make it so I can just see the overview of another client, is that alone bannable? Per this paragraph, it would seem so long as that "screen" is not on top of another we would be fine. Therefore, I could have as many accounts open as I want and have as many overview overlays as i want so long as they do not overlap.

In that case, how can this even be policed? Windows itself lets you control window sizes. If I put all my accounts in windowed mod and layer them so I can just see the overviews, how the hell can I get banned for that? I am using a built in feature of the game to move my screens around so I can make some sense of what I am seeing?

Now, okay, CCP says all screen must be in full mod, then it would be against the rules for a player to have more than 1 account open per screen they have as they would have to overlay one another.

This then also raises questions about how they can legally do this because if I have all my accounts in windowed mode and layed out across my screen (not even using isoboxer) how the hell can CCP tell me what I can and can;t do on my monitors?

Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation (posted Nov 2014)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=387571

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mind.

Judging from the look of this, it seems that the primary functionality of ISBoxer is to manipulate multiple clients at once via a single action. Case in point: Controlling 20 miners from a single client instead of alt-tabbing through 20 clients to have each of them do a single action which is to mine. If ISBoxer doesn't have that functionality, let me know.

If that is the case, this effectively means that you can still use ISBoxer for its other functions but you have no choice but to alt-tab between all 20 miners (20 clients), which is time consuming but still perfectly legal within Eve Online, so that you don't get banned.

As for squeezing multiple clients with each of them clearly visible at once (referring to your second post) I would say that is perfectly legal so long as they manually click on each client to give a command. And since squeezing so many windowed clients into one monitor hinders the visibility of each client, I would say it's perfectly legal as well.

In my honest opinion, the dev blogs have been pretty clear. Just one made it more clear than the other. It all seems to boil down to the 20 miner scenario that one of the players brought up in the other thread. Are you doing something that is impossible for one player to do if they didn't have software such as ISBoxer? Yes or No? If yes, that functionality is bannable. If no, carry on.

Yes, as you pointed out, isoboxer is not banned. The only real function it had left was the ability to manage multi windows easily.

As far as them detecting it, they can detect input broadcasting, but in this case, where they are going to try to enforce something that EVERY SINGLE OPERATING SYSTEM allows you to do. If you read the dev blog, by their definition, it could be interpreted as even having more than one monitor is a violation. Do I think that is the case? No, BUT when your rules are that vague, it does not work.