Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Today, after 6+ years in the game, I noticed that the skill requirements for T2 ships are reverse from every other ship in the game. T2 ship skills (blops/recon/etc) are Willpower and Perception. Everything else is Perception and Willpower.

Swapping the primary and secondary skill requirements results in a 10% reduction in SP gained for those skills vs all other ship skills. Why is this a thing? There is no reason for it. It makes no sense. And people lose out on SP because of it.

Swap them. There is no reason at all for T2 to be different than everything else. I wasted a bonus remap because of this. So I'm a little salty.

Ooooooo... you lose out on a whopping ~100k skillpoints over the course of a year... oooooo...

That's like... what? 5 days?
Seriously? You are complaining about 5 extra days of training out of 365.25 days?

Also...

This.

And before you say, "I pay a monthly sub!" I will point out that your subscription only grants access to CCP's server. It does not entitle you to skillpoints.

its ccp, dont question the madness

Players losing out on sp is not as tragic as you're trying to make out, it's difficult to train every skill at max speed. Attributes look like they are on their way out anyways. But until then, you should read up on things before you do them. Save you a lot of grief.

Came here to say that, but he beat me to it.

I wish CCP wouldn't get rid of attributes because I feel they work well with the general theme of EvE. But I have to recognize that there's writing on the wall. When you can simply bypass attributes altogether via skill injectors, it means CCP probably doesn't want attributes around too much longer.

I think attributes would have been better received by the newer people if CCP had simply integrated an EVEMON-type tool with the game. For any game even half as complex as EvE, a tool to navigate a critical function such as that would have been boxed with the 1.0 release. We wouldn't have threads like this where people are surprised by training requirements because the tool would have pointed it out right there in their skill plan. But hey, it's easier to remove a system rather than fix it.

It took you six years to notice this?

It was clearly an intentional decision by CCP to do it this way.

Additionally, attributes appear to be on their way to a much-deserved demise, so your idea is pointless and unnecessary.

One time, going to band camp, I got pulled over for speeding. The officer pointed out that the speed limit had always been 45, but I was going 55. So I said....

"But officer, I've been driving down this road for 6 years and I didn't notice that sign that is in plain view for all to see"

He was cool, not only did he throw the ticket away immediately, he also gave me a bag of free donuts for each year I hadn't noticed. I was so happy. The world made sense. It was just..... good.

So when you started out you had a choice of training drones, ship skills, navigation skills, or core skills and only 2 remaps. Yeah you've trained every skill at max speed. way to save yourself from looking stupid.

At the end of the day, you've never clicked show info on any t2 skill in 6 years. That's your own dumbass fault. Ive never known anyone to not realise this and i myself looked this up before i had started the game. Whilst i dont expect you to plan things as much as i do, you should look this stuff up before injecting the skill surely.

When attributes are going to be removed why even bother with this change? What about all the players who have remapped into Willpower because they were smart enough to look up the skill before training it? Why not just swallow what pride you have left, admit YOU ****** up, no one else, and accept you're only losing a tiny amount of sp/hour anyways.

No - because this deprives smart players (like myself who is currently on a Wil/Per map and training all the T2 ship skills to V) of their rewards for being/playing smart and not FOTM'ing

Yet again, time for CCP to just delete attributes all together and let the Implant market fall where it will (Comp for existing items obviously)