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Returning player looking for some direction

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Augustus Cesare
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-02-22 23:25:13 UTC
Hey guys, I've recently returned to the game after leaving back in 2011. Unlike 2011, information out there is so crazy and google isnt as good as it used to be. I kind of have some information overload going on with what I think I would like to be doing vs what I'm capable of doing. I was hoping I could list my goals, what interests me, and what direction I would like to go and maybe someone could help me out with the direction to play skills as well as what I'm capable of.

For starters here is my current skill set:
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Augustus%20Cesare/CharacterSheet
I'm currently skilling to a Tengu and will finish that before I move on to anything else as I am only a couple days away!

I've already applied to KarmaFleet and assuming that goes well I'll be moving to nullsec. Right now i've been alternating exploring in a frigate and running missions in a raven. I also have used the raven to try to hunt down combat sites but in Hisec I've spent hours with nothing to really show for it.

That said, I hate the raven. I hate how slow it is, how long it takes to align, and all of that. I like frigates, destroyers, and cruisers most as they tend to offer more fast paced gameplay instead of lumbering around like an orge. I don't think I am too far away with my current skill points to be able to train into interceptors and covert ops frigates. Also, since I already trained up to a Tengu, I doubt I'm too far away from advanced cruiser skills either.

But I have some questions.

Can frigates rat, run plexes, solo missions, and handle other combat sites? how far would I need to go? Can anyone reccomend some decent fits remembering that I'm Caldari? Also any other advice and suggestions?

The same question above applies to cruisers. Can I safely run all of those things? Can anyone point me towards decent fittings and other information?

That just covers being able to make isk. I also assumed that skilling this way would make me more useful to my corp for pvp. As I didn't do much pvp before but plan to dive in now am I on a good path?

Any general advice or information anyone has to offer that I havent thought of asking?

Thank you so much for anyone that might take the time out to help a returning newbie.

Helios Anduath
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-02-22 23:45:06 UTC
We can't see your character sheet on eve-gate. If you want to share your skills, you will need to put an API into eve-board and share the link.

As for your ships size questions, for ISK making in null you will probably end up ratting. Favourites for that are Vexor Navy Issue, Ishtar, Rattlesnakes and carriers as drones can mean semi-afk ratting.If you end up in Karma, I have heard that they have very good info on their wikis on making ISK.

For missions, if you go for L4 Burner missions, frigates are all you can use for them. T3Cs can be good for other L4s but battleships are the go-to. If you join Karma though, you will generally not be doing missions in HS any more as you are basically perma-decced.
Augustus Cesare
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-02-23 01:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Augustus Cesare
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-02-23 01:38:21 UTC
My opinion is that you have it all backwards. I am not even going to bother looking at your skills as it does not matter to me and for what we are talking about here shouldn't matter to you either, at least not much.

To me I usually recommend that people try different stuff out to figure out what they like. Then once you figure out what you like then figure out how to do more of that or do it better.

What I am reading from your post is you are trying to tell us what skills that you have and then ask us what you can do with those skills.

If you like smaller ships then stick to smaller ships. Some of the best isk to be made in high sec is on burner missions and those are restricted to only frigates as far as I know. They might have added cruiser burners but I'm not certain on that and I know they don't go larger than that.

As far as running normal level 4's I once (years ago) read a blog from a guy that was trying to complete all level 4 missions solo in a rfiter which is a T1 frigate. Last that I heard he had completed just shy of half of them. Granted that is not ideal and his isk per hour was probably low but he had fun. Certainly with T2 and T3 cruisers as well as faction cruiser you can complete level 4s and let's not forget about a ship like the Machariel that is a battleship but flies more like a cruiser.

As far as PvP goes you don't want to start out flying T2 ships unless you have way more isk than you know what to do with. Fly cheap T1 ships with cheap fits.

I often see new players trying to figure out what they want to do and skilling deep into something before they even try it. That mentality IMHO comes from other MMOs with level caps and such that make that kind of play strategy make more sense. Your skill points don't limit you in this game and you should not be waiting on high level skills and expensive T2 or faction stuff before you even try stuff out.

There are combat sites that can be done in frigates and especially T3 dessies. So if you like small ships try out stuff in T1 frigs, dessies and cruisers and if you are having fun skill up to tech up.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-02-23 01:44:37 UTC
I love linking this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k

It is to prove my point above. They guy in this video is an experienced vet PvPing on a 10-17 day old alt. This is back when new characters were born with 56K skill points and not 400K so by the end of this video the character in question probably had not much more skill points than a brand new character today.

Anyway he solo PvPs in a rifter that costs him about 3.5 million to replace iirc. He pwns years old characters in T2 frigates in his T1 cheaply fit frigate on a days old alt.

Morale to the story don't wait for skill points.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Augustus Cesare
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-02-23 01:52:42 UTC
It wasnt so much me asking what I could do with my skills but more me asking if Sticking to frigates and cruisers for the time being because thats what excites me is viable.

Meaning, Will i be able to rat in nullsec, will I be able to do combat sites, could I mission if I wanted to, and other stuff like that in nullsec pve. I was also asking if someone had any viable fittings for those types of ships as I've been out of the game a long time and finding good information is much harder now.

The pvp part Im hoping is what Ill learn how to do through trial and error with cheap ships and by joining a group like karmafleet.
Memphis Baas
#7 - 2016-02-23 02:12:13 UTC
Oh ok.

The answer is "yes." Tech 2 cruisers such as the HACs, and T3 cruisers (Tengu, etc.) can deliver battleship-level DPS and defenses, so yeah you can rat etc. in null, and do a lot of the PVE content there.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-02-23 02:35:58 UTC
You can PvE in null sec in frigates especially T2 frigates. I knew a very new player once that I was watching belt rat in null sec in a destroyer. This guy was days old and a genuine new player and he was getting it done.

You won't be able to run the biggest combat sites in null sec but I have run some of the ones with smaller ship in an assault frigate and it was fun.

As far as fits go it really depends on where you are because the local rats will determine much of what you do. For example if you are flying in space with Blood Raiders or Sansha you will have a hard time Shield tanking the EM damage. You will also be loosing a decent amount of applied dps if you are hitting them with kinetic damage so hybrids are going to make it rougher as well as a ship like the drake that only has a bonus to kinetic.

On the other side of that you will typically have a difficult time Armor tanking the explosive damage from Angel rats.

One type of ship that can do well in most situations is anything with a drone bonus. If you open your options to tech 2 and faction as well as destroyers so all small hulls not just frigs you have a few options. Typically you'll want to do a kiting fit and stay away from the damage and avoid some types of Ewar with the drones.

It also depends on how blue your space is or better said how close you are to red territory. If you are on a border zone and have frequent red activity you might need to PvP fit to PvE.

If you are going to be belt ratting I'd say get something that brawls well so you want up close dps to get under the guns of the BSs. Point the high value BS and kill the smaller ships that can actually hit you first. Then kill the non-pointed BS and the the pointed one. Belt rats have a tendency to warp off sometimes.

If you look up the ship that you are hoping to fly on Eve uni wiki you'll see some basic fits. You will need to modify them but it is at least a starting point. Also they do a decent job of explaining the strengths and weaknesses of the ship and ways to pilot it effectively.

In the end you will have to experiment a bit and find a playstyle that works for you and a fit that works for your playstyle.

If you had some more specific criteria I could maybe come up with a ship and basic fit but I think that you have enough to go on.

If you've got some isk to burn and want to get some experience I say fit some cheap destroyers for PvP and go belt rat in a not so busy low sec system or NRDS null. You'll loose a few ships but you'll make isk in the process and learn a bit and probably have fun as well.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Augustus Cesare
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-02-23 03:32:05 UTC
Hey thanks for the help there.
I was worried with the path I was choosing that I was going to end up skilling into something that wasn't going to let me run pve stuff to make enough money. Even though I'm training a Tengu, I wont be flying it until I can put the money together to fit it good and im confident that I can not get it exploded.