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Testing a POS - Control Tower

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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-02-21 18:43:39 UTC
(I was writing this post yesterday when my tablet malfunctionned and refused to operate without a power source connected in the AC input socket.

I managed to write it by hand before the text was impossible to save otherwise.

...)
I just bought the necessary equipment and items to run a small POS and learned the skills required to anchor it.

I created a new corp for the test and I passed the required 7 corp days required to anchor it.

I wonder what I can do with it.

Is there going to be manufacturing slots inside?

How does it work for defense?

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-02-21 18:45:32 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Hmz, so you already bought everything and now want to know why you bought it?

Maybe read up on how a POS works next time first.

Sorry, but this is actually just a simple Google a way.

Plant the stick
Plant the modules you want
Fuel the thing
Find out that it kind of is useless in high-secBlink
Be wardecced so people can shoot it. TwistedTwisted

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-02-21 19:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
J'Poll wrote:
Hmz, so you already bought everything and now want to know why you bought it?

A. Maybe read up on how a POS works next time first.

B. Sorry, but this is actually just a simple Google a way.

1. Plant the stick
2. Plant the modules you want
3. Fuel the thing
4. Find out that it kind of is useless in high-secBlink
5. Be wardecced so people can shoot it. TwistedTwisted

(I was writing this post today when my tablet malfunctionned and refused to operate without a power source connected in the AC input socket.

I managed to write it by hand before the text was impossible to save otherwise.

...)
A. + B.
I checked Google and read the info, but the functions will change and they will be tethered to citadels.

1. Plant the stick as in anchor the Control Tower, small.
??

I took screenshots by the way, and they look pretty good.
I am still wondering whether I should post them edited and omit a few field of info or intact with the original data, including the names, location, etc.
Timing is also important since it will be easier to post this data after removing the device from its anchored system.

B. The info I got was from Google btw, and more than once.
I usually make directory folders of data and information findings from searches and track the related times spent doing those tasks (on top of storage time and other costs.)

2. As for planting the modules I want, I have no idea what that means at all.


5. I am not wardecced since it is a new corp and I will disband it once the test is conclusive.
I may keep the corp and have it transferred from its founder to an Alt or to another account.

I managed to save the initial 1,000 corporate shares although they would not display at first.
The reason the shares didn't display was because I omitted to select a corporate wallet during creation.
I was then prompted again to select a corporate wallet after I logged in the next day or later on that week (6 days later).
After selecting master Wallet, it initialized the original shares.
Those are the exact same shares that I would transfer to my alt or to another account to anchor the thing in another location from another Directing CEO in control of the corp.


Edit:
List of items:
* Strontium Clathrates (yeah, not the Nuka-Cola Strontium, but, hey!) , enough for 1 or 2 days... Or a bit more...
3. * Fuel Block (again, enough for 1 or 2 days or more.)
* Empire Faction Charters to deploy and anchor in High-Sec and run it for a few days (1 charter per hour).
maybe something else, like the actual tower itself.

2 skills to train were ,
* Anchoring
* Corporation Management or what's it called...

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

gfldex
#4 - 2016-02-21 19:37:21 UTC
Please RTFM.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-02-21 20:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
gfldex wrote:
Please RTFM.

  • (Again, for the 3rd time in a row now, I was writing this post today when my tablet malfunctionned and refused to operate and I had to shut it down (by powering it off, no need to grind it quite yet.)
  • It finally managed to shut down, as it is configured to refuse to shut down without an operating power source connected in the AC input socket.

    I managed to write it by hand before the text was impossible to save otherwise.

    ...)
    Thank you for the quick link.

    I just read over a good part of it (around 60% +) and found I may need a Manufacturing plant installed or some other way to manufacture items.
    I also found out I could do research which may be interesting, but I don't know if I can do research without manufacturing.
    I also found out that I could make my own fuel to power the device, although there are costs associated with it.
    I will be able to compare those costs with the costs of running fuel.

    To my amazement, I realised that it can be more cost-efficient to run faction (not necessarily the main 4 Empire Faction) Tower (starbase) by about 20% (bonus).

    I'm sure there must be other thing, and the new citadel which are now being built (quested/ missioned on) will have those devices tethered (linked) to them or on them.


    Edit:
    This also allows me to do moon mining which I didn't know about.
    The only reason I wanted to test it was to find out if I could do manufacturing in it or not.
    I am now finding out that there is some way to do manufacturing with it but I may need to re-write it for my own practical use and intent.

    Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

    Memphis Baas
    #6 - 2016-02-21 21:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
    Setting up a POS is similar to fitting a ship.

    1. You anchor the tower near a moon. You put fuel in the tower, you set up a password, and you online the tower. It starts consuming fuel and producing POWER and CPU.

    2. You anchor the modules that you need: Corporate Hangar Array (storage space), silo's, assembly array, ship maintenance array, mobile lab, refining array, moon harvesting array, etc., you won't have enough power or CPU for all of them, so you must decide what you need and put those in.

    3. Depending on the security rating of the solar system where you put the POS, some modules may not be allowed in high-sec or low-sec.

    The tower uses fuel which costs quite a bit, so don't put up a POS unless you have good reason to use it.
    Buzz Orti
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #7 - 2016-02-21 21:36:57 UTC
    Memphis Baas wrote:
    Setting up a POS is similar to fitting a ship.

    1. You anchor the tower near a moon. You put fuel in the tower, you set up a password, and you online the tower. It starts consuming fuel and producing POWER and CPU.

    2. You anchor the modules that you need: Corporate Hangar Array (storage space), silo's, assembly array, ship maintenance array, mobile lab, refining array, moon harvesting array, etc., you won't have enough power or CPU for all of them, so you must decide what you need and put those in.

    3. Depending on the security rating of the solar system where you put the POS, some modules may not be allowed in high-sec or low-sec.

    The tower uses fuel which costs quite a bit, so don't put up a POS unless you have good reason to use it.

    1.
    Yes, that, I forgot to mention that I didn't know that it had to be set-up near a moon.
    As you will see in my screenshots, i first tried to deply the Control Tower in general space at a safe spot I saved in a system while warping in space...

    Also, thank you for reminding me to setup password for obvious security matters...

    I will try to read and verify on how to online the tower, if any controls need to be used.

    2.
    I may test moon harvesting / mining array, and I'm not sure which structure is to be used for manufacturing yet.
    I wonder if it is assembly array (which I think are for spaceship contruction or module), or mobile lab (which I wonder if it is for research only).
    I will post a new thread in the Science and Industry forum about this, but I don't know if I will only get valuable answer.

    Either way, it will make testing piracy more efficient now, finally, at last, and I will get standing points with Sansha and other pirate factions, like Serpentis and other.

    3.
    ah yes, the security rating related module, so far, all modules I want to test can be run in High-Sec.
    Most pirate faction would require low-sec system security, or npc-null security.

    Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

    Memphis Baas
    #8 - 2016-02-21 21:55:04 UTC
    1. Not just for "security", you won't get a shield around the POS without a password. Yes it must be set near a moon, and the moon must have no other towers anchored near it. Most high-sec moons are already taken.

    2. That link I gave you has text for each module what it does.

    Here's video. He installs tower and guns around the shield. You will install tower and assembly arrays + silos + hangars or labs + hangars inside the shields. Leave guns for last if you're in high sec.
    Buzz Orti
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #9 - 2016-02-21 22:27:38 UTC
    Memphis Baas wrote:
    1. Not just for "security", you won't get a shield around the POS without a password. Yes it must be set near a moon, and the moon must have no other towers anchored near it. Most high-sec moons are already taken.

    2. That link I gave you has text for each module what it does.

    Here's video. He installs tower and guns around the shield. You will install tower and assembly arrays + silos + hangars or labs + hangars inside the shields. Leave guns for last if you're in high sec.

    1.)
    I remember having to enter a password to get in a fleet control tower shield POS before.
    I also remember bouncing off the shield while being shot at until I entered the proper password.
    I think there some enemies shooting outside as well.

    As for setting it near a moon, and most high-sec moons being already taken, that will be the most complex part.
    Is there a way to set-up some ads in the Want Ads & Trades forum to get a moon or a POS at a moon, or an empty location from a scout or something?

    Also, is there a way to attack high-sec POS, or is all you need is to be wardec with that POS corp?
    (What happens to the POS if you disband the corp? - although that is really not important at this time and that I don't have to take this into account yet.)

    2.)
    I will try to check the link from EVE Uni I think.
    The other link before from the other pilot poster was from the EVE Online site info (forgot the exact source).

    I cheked the vid and I don't need guns , hangars, silos - though silos are for moon harvesting I think, or for processing moon resources, I still don't know if assembly arrays or mobile labs are used for manufacturing slots.
    I read that Advanced Mobile Lab are for T2 production and so it may work for manufacturing slots.

    Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

    Cara Forelli
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #10 - 2016-02-21 22:47:46 UTC
    OPs posting history is...enlightening.

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    ergherhdfgh
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #11 - 2016-02-22 03:33:35 UTC
    You are a 3 year old character posting fairly complicated questions for more advanced players in the NC Q&A. I could probably add some helpful info but I don't want to encourage this kind of contamination into the NC Q&A.

    We try to keep this place a safe haven for new players to come with questions. If you want to turn this into GD then that means all the trolls will come with then where do we send the new bros with their questions?

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    Buzz Orti
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #12 - 2016-02-22 03:48:25 UTC
    ergherhdfgh wrote:
    You are a 3 year old character posting fairly complicated questions for more advanced players in the NC Q&A. I could probably add some helpful info but I don't want to encourage this kind of contamination into the NC Q&A.

    We try to keep this place a safe haven for new players to come with questions. If you want to turn this into GD then that means all the trolls will come with then where do we send the new bros with their questions?

    I am new at Control Tower and they always looked good to me.

    I just like to know what I am doing and so that is why I try to get accurate and efficient information to help me with what I am trying to do (well, really...).

    Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

    Tau Cabalander
    Retirement Retreat
    Working Stiffs
    #13 - 2016-02-22 04:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
    I've pretty much posted in every POS thread the past 7 years.

    If you have a specific question, chances are I've discussed it; search for posts by me. The Industry forum is the appropriate place to discuss POS.

    POS are primarily used for industry, however, since the changes to industry back in the Crius expansion, there is less reason to operate one, unless your profits exceed the cost of fueling it.

    For the most part, I don't recommend using a POS when you are just figuring out industry. It will likely be nothing more than an ISK sink.
    Buzz Orti
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #14 - 2016-02-22 04:38:13 UTC
    Tau Cabalander wrote:
    I've pretty much posted in every POS thread the past 7 years.

    If you have a specific question, chances are I've discussed it; search for posts by me. The Industry forum is the appropriate place to discuss POS.

    POS are primarily used for industry, however, since the changes to industry back in the Crius expansion, there is less reason to operate one, unless your profits exceed the cost of fueling it.

    For the most part, I don't recommend using a POS when you are just figuring out industry. It will likely be nothing more than an ISK sink.

    I understand that and I want more accurate details.

    For instance, a blue print rate of return on investment site had details on how long it took to make a profit.

    That is related to the break-even point, and , eventually, how much can be generated.

    But lets say, I need certain supply for certain activity which are required to cause an ISK sink into others, and manufacturing them may prove more cost-efficient for tranferring the ISK sink onto them as it would be done unto us.

    Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

    J'Poll
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #15 - 2016-02-22 06:16:46 UTC
    Buzz Orti wrote:
    J'Poll wrote:
    Hmz, so you already bought everything and now want to know why you bought it?

    A. Maybe read up on how a POS works next time first.

    B. Sorry, but this is actually just a simple Google a way.

    1. Plant the stick
    2. Plant the modules you want
    3. Fuel the thing
    4. Find out that it kind of is useless in high-secBlink
    5. Be wardecced so people can shoot it. TwistedTwisted

    (I was writing this post today when my tablet malfunctionned and refused to operate without a power source connected in the AC input socket.

    I managed to write it by hand before the text was impossible to save otherwise.

    ...)
    A. + B.
    I checked Google and read the info, but the functions will change and they will be tethered to citadels.

    1. Plant the stick as in anchor the Control Tower, small.
    ??

    I took screenshots by the way, and they look pretty good.
    I am still wondering whether I should post them edited and omit a few field of info or intact with the original data, including the names, location, etc.
    Timing is also important since it will be easier to post this data after removing the device from its anchored system.

    B. The info I got was from Google btw, and more than once.
    I usually make directory folders of data and information findings from searches and track the related times spent doing those tasks (on top of storage time and other costs.)

    2. As for planting the modules I want, I have no idea what that means at all.


    5. I am not wardecced since it is a new corp and I will disband it once the test is conclusive.
    I may keep the corp and have it transferred from its founder to an Alt or to another account.

    I managed to save the initial 1,000 corporate shares although they would not display at first.
    The reason the shares didn't display was because I omitted to select a corporate wallet during creation.
    I was then prompted again to select a corporate wallet after I logged in the next day or later on that week (6 days later).
    After selecting master Wallet, it initialized the original shares.
    Those are the exact same shares that I would transfer to my alt or to another account to anchor the thing in another location from another Directing CEO in control of the corp.


    Edit:
    List of items:
    * Strontium Clathrates (yeah, not the Nuka-Cola Strontium, but, hey!) , enough for 1 or 2 days... Or a bit more...
    3. * Fuel Block (again, enough for 1 or 2 days or more.)
    * Empire Faction Charters to deploy and anchor in High-Sec and run it for a few days (1 charter per hour).
    maybe something else, like the actual tower itself.

    2 skills to train were ,
    * Anchoring
    * Corporation Management or what's it called...


    So, they will change in the future, so what.


    And ths rest IS properly documented.

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    erg cz
    Federal Jegerouns
    #16 - 2016-02-22 08:24:58 UTC
    POS as a personal "my little eve home" is a valid thing even in high sec. There are high sec pockets, where POS is the only way to do research job. And to build T3 ships you need experimental lab or how it is called. Which is "POS only" area... So there are few reasons why to build POS in high sec. But POS in high sec will not allow you to do moon mining, so if you do not plan to set POS for the warm "my home" feeling or you do not plan to build T3 ships - you will not use it in high sec. Cause no benefit from quicker work or materila efficiency will cover the need to baby sit it, fuel it, have worries about war deck etc...

    TL;DR: as a test you surely will have fun anchoring POS and even make few research jobs in labs or manufactor jobs in arrays... But you will tear it down later on any way cause you can do same jobs in NPC stations much more safier and often even cheapier (unless you are hardcore manufactor, who works hard on capital modules or alike).
    ergherhdfgh
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #17 - 2016-02-22 12:18:09 UTC
    Buzz Orti wrote:
    Tau Cabalander wrote:
    I've pretty much posted in every POS thread the past 7 years.

    If you have a specific question, chances are I've discussed it; search for posts by me. The Industry forum is the appropriate place to discuss POS.

    POS are primarily used for industry, however, since the changes to industry back in the Crius expansion, there is less reason to operate one, unless your profits exceed the cost of fueling it.

    For the most part, I don't recommend using a POS when you are just figuring out industry. It will likely be nothing more than an ISK sink.

    I understand that and I want more accurate details.

    For instance, a blue print rate of return on investment site had details on how long it took to make a profit.

    That is related to the break-even point, and , eventually, how much can be generated.

    But lets say, I need certain supply for certain activity which are required to cause an ISK sink into others, and manufacturing them may prove more cost-efficient for tranferring the ISK sink onto them as it would be done unto us.

    Again this is the New Character Question and Answer section of the forums. You have been told where to find the information that you are looking for.

    The answers that you are seeking can only really be answered by you reading up and making spreadsheets or doing all the math on paper or what ever your preferred method of sorting out the math. But it sounds like to me you are looking for someone to just do it all for you and give you the answer that you want. However no one but you knows what exactly it is that you want to do and even if you were to explain it to them why should they do all the work so that you can make the profit off of their efforts?

    The answers are out there. Search the industry forum or google search the topics in question. Once again you are asking an advanced question in the NC Q&A. No of the answers that you are looking for will be helpful for new players nor does this question belong here.

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    Hibbe
    Doomheim
    #18 - 2016-02-22 14:27:22 UTC
    gfldex wrote:
    Please RTFM.


    agree.. rtfm is what you need to do..

    read that fking manual
    Buzz Orti
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #19 - 2016-02-27 19:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
    erg cz wrote:
    POS as a personal "my little eve home" is a valid thing even in high sec. There are high sec pockets, where POS is the only way to do research job. And to build T3 ships you need experimental lab or how it is called. Which is "POS only" area... So there are few reasons why to build POS in high sec. But POS in high sec will not allow you to do moon mining, so if you do not plan to set POS for the warm "my home" feeling or you do not plan to build T3 ships - you will not use it in high sec. Cause no benefit from quicker work or materila efficiency will cover the need to baby sit it, fuel it, have worries about war deck etc...

    TL;DR: as a test you surely will have fun anchoring POS and even make few research jobs in labs or manufactor jobs in arrays... But you will tear it down later on any way cause you can do same jobs in NPC stations much more safier and often even cheapier (unless you are hardcore manufactor, who works hard on capital modules or alike).

    How can I do research job in a station?
    I never did any research job before.
    What are they for, what is the requirement to do that, and what product or result do they produce?

    And oh, yes, before I forget again, for some reason, the forum stopped functioning and EVE went down, plus I didn't get notification but I got 15 days free.

    Research skill
    EVElopedia » Item Database » Skills » Science » Research

    EVElopedia
    RESEARCHING BLUEPRINTS

    EVElopedia
    Blueprints

    It looks like research only works on BPO or Original Blueprints.
    That is not what I am trying to test and do.


    Blueprints
    All new blueprint originals bought from the market from an NPC corporation come with a material level and a production level of zero.
    This means that in order to manufacture one item from that blueprint it will take the maximum amount of materials and time to do so.
    In other words, the blueprint is not as efficient as it could be and it will cost the manufacturer more than it could to produce one item, making the profit margin smaller than it could be.

    Blueprint Calculator - Blueprint Display
    screenshot

    EVE Industry - Blueprint Calculator
    screenshot

    EVE-Cost - Research Calculator
    screenshot

    EVEoLution: Making ISK - Blueprints & Invention
    screenshot

    BubonicPestilence's Sister of EvE
    screenshot

    Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

    J'Poll
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #20 - 2016-02-27 21:30:49 UTC
    Buzz Orti wrote:
    erg cz wrote:
    POS as a personal "my little eve home" is a valid thing even in high sec. There are high sec pockets, where POS is the only way to do research job. And to build T3 ships you need experimental lab or how it is called. Which is "POS only" area... So there are few reasons why to build POS in high sec. But POS in high sec will not allow you to do moon mining, so if you do not plan to set POS for the warm "my home" feeling or you do not plan to build T3 ships - you will not use it in high sec. Cause no benefit from quicker work or materila efficiency will cover the need to baby sit it, fuel it, have worries about war deck etc...

    TL;DR: as a test you surely will have fun anchoring POS and even make few research jobs in labs or manufactor jobs in arrays... But you will tear it down later on any way cause you can do same jobs in NPC stations much more safier and often even cheapier (unless you are hardcore manufactor, who works hard on capital modules or alike).

    How can I do research job in a station?
    I never did any research job before.
    What are they for, what is the requirement to do that, and what product or result do they produce?

    And oh, yes, before I forget again, for some reason, the forum stopped functioning and EVE went down, plus I didn't get notification but I got 15 days free.

    Research skill
    EVElopedia » Item Database » Skills » Science » Research

    EVElopedia
    RESEARCHING BLUEPRINTS

    EVElopedia
    Blueprints

    It looks like research only works on BPO or Original Blueprints.
    That is not what I am trying to test and do.


    Blueprints
    All new blueprint originals bought from the market from an NPC corporation come with a material level and a production level of zero.
    This means that in order to manufacture one item from that blueprint it will take the maximum amount of materials and time to do so.
    In other words, the blueprint is not as efficient as it could be and it will cost the manufacturer more than it could to produce one item, making the profit margin smaller than it could be.

    Blueprint Calculator - Blueprint Display
    screenshot

    EVE Industry - Blueprint Calculator
    screenshot

    EVE-Cost - Research Calculator
    screenshot

    EVEoLution: Making ISK - Blueprints & Invention
    screenshot

    BubonicPestilence's Sister of EvE
    screenshot


    How can you do research at a station?

    Seriously, you open the research part of the station and start a research job.



    What does research do?


    If you don't even know that, why try a POS in the first place. Read up on that first a bit before actually trying it out, so you know what is involved in it and have a bit of basic knowledge on what to expect.

    Yeah, research only works on BPOs, but if that isn't what you want to do? Why the F did you bought a POS?

    For your families sake, I hope you aren't like that in real life, buy stuff first and then try to figure out why you need it.



    p.s.

    You should NOT be looking up EVE stuff on that PC...

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