Ships & Modules

I like it, therefore your argument is invalid....

37,5 km actually with T2. It gives hics a purpose outside capital tackle. You could ofc stay outside 40km when kiting... just an idea..

It's one of those things which come "pre-buffed". CCP has stated they will look how the thing fits into the current meta, because it is extremely strong as it is right now.

This leads me to put AB / oversized AB on most ships when i solo roam. My viewpoint would be that it's not really annoying right now only because every gang isn't fielding a HIC at the moment (yet).
However, when people will start catching up, it might become quite overwhelming.

Therefore, I would like to see the range reduced by a bit, will it be just to avoid making the Lachesis / Arazu slightly obsolete.

I will live with it being a very strong buff to gatecamping and anti-nano shenanigans.

You realise that the scram effect (shutting down MWDs...etc) is a recent - and very deliberate - buff right?

Adding the scram effect to the HIC's infini-point was supposed to give people reasons to fly a HIC outside supercap tackle and to make the choice between MWD, dual-prop and AB a little less binary... looks like mission accomplished.

hics are useful again, thats right.

The "pre-buff" i was mentioning was more the range rather than the new ability.

I could see CCP tweaking the range, but not the HIC's new ability itself. I haven't see that many angry comments if you except OP's. It is however something which is a new hurdle for solo pvp. Doesn't kill this playstyle though.

No. Those ships can barely break 70k EHP if fit fully tanked. You could kill a lach/arazu with a proper setup before his gang blobs the hell out of you (assuming he's alone initially and not sitting on a gate camp). A huggin webbing you at 78km is a non issue since he doesn't have you pointed. Just warp away, unless you want to die.

The other funny thing is you bring up a lach/arazu and say it can scram out 27km without links. With links, and heated, its at 33.4km range. Whats HIC scram range again for a meta HIC scram you ask? 32km? Oh well.. so a ship that sports 150-200k EHP also has a scram almost on par than a linked recon. Seems fair. So a ship is better at warp disruption than a ship specialized in warp disruption. Going for t2 or faction, and a HIC scram reaches 40km. PERFECT SENSE.

Bottom line is, things like this exist in gate camps, and will only get worse as more people train into them.

[Devoter, Scram all the things]
1600mm Steel Plates II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Internal Force Field Array I
Energized Armor Layering Membrane II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
10MN Afterburner II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Warp Disruption Field Generator II, Focused Warp Disruption Script
Warp Disruption Field Generator II, Focused Warp Disruption Script
Warp Disruption Field Generator II, Focused Warp Disruption Script
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Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

In a fleet, before links, it has 184k EHP and can hold 3 dudes on a gate pretty easily for his friends to blap without risking anything.

Show me an arazu/lach that can scram 3 targets at once (from 32-40km away), and still sport that kind of tank. I'll wait.

I have no horse in this race and I'm not taking a position on this argument, but that was an incredibly ignorant statement. 1: Your statement assumes a game where nobody flies cooperatively (just the opposite, flying cooperatively is the entire point of the game). So whether this individual ship can kill anything is irrelevant. He even made a direct statement to that effect.



2: What the ship can or cannot kill wasn't the point of the poster you replied to. His stance was about the tank and range a HIC has, verses the tank and range of a dedicated recon cruiser. If you want to refute an argument he's trying to make, that's the area you need to focus on.

If you want to at least appear attentive, I'd advise you to refresh yourself in the old threads when this feature was introduced. This very topic was discussed at length, so you could at the very least get caught up to speed and be ready to debate the merits and consequences of this system and possible alternatives.

hics are fine.
Gives people a reason to fly AB fits some more.

I must admit that I felt in love with these ships quite quick after I've started to play EVE.
The imagination of a small ship which is able to stop even the biggest mofos was noice.

Even before the buff I wanted to fly these vessels. I had the idea of an HIC in a gate camp, which initiates the tackle with its infinite point to prevent ships from fleeing until a faster ship applies its scam and/or web as well to stop the MWD/AB.

You can imagine how happy I am now.

It's a strong ship now and I'm very glad to see it more often nowadays! But it is not op.
With an activ WDFG they are very slow and unable to receive any remote support. So with an AB you can burn out of range. Or you neut its cap to shut off the WDFG.
But yes, I guess it has an impact on the kiting-meta.

Me in person hope that CCP doesn't take the scram-ability away again. It's too interesting how things will develop.