Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so people will stop looking for players who arent in their direct range of influence (otherwise they would see them), just because a bad mechanic tells you they are online and have to be somewhere - good change.

local

There are game aspects that need to have this character, otherwise you have to have the black screen and a pocket light as others have written earlier.

But I tell you what is second best solution: if such 100% risk-free and accurate aspects are fair available to everyone without limitation.

And dont forget the enourmous database information out of game. All available for everyone. Dont think that could be switched off again.

Watchlist the other can be used by anyone, hunter can watchlist and locate the prey, the prey can watchlist and locate the hunter. Where is the unbalance?

I tell you what is unfair: That a new character has to get standing for a level 4 agent to locate possible opponent while they already can. Watchlist in the opposite does not need requirements, it is fair in regard of the prerequisites.

What do you learn first in Eve? Have the Local chat separatly! Its fair available for everyone. Do you let someone tackled go because he is telling you he didnt know? And even not having it in wormhole is fair because it is for everyone. Same is dscan, the rules for being seen or not seen are the same for everyone.

Dont focus too much to risk aspect or accuracy for basic information, focus on availability and same rules for everyone.

So you are an advocate, for the removal of local?

What wat? If your target is showing negative on the status (in the case of using the watch-list), I was putting forth the rhetorical question to demonstrate that you wouldn't know if he's simply offline, or docked up. It's a demonstration that the provided intel is not perfect anymore and I feel it's a fine balance and gives players all across New Eden many ways to use or attempt to baffle the information provided. You quoted something from a level 2 agent, then something from a level 4 agent, when neither have anything to do with one-another.


Good thing nothing in my proposal advocates for any forced PvE, nor does it change any aspect of the current systems to increase PvE load on players. It just makes locator agents more useful.


The problem with a structure is that it brings up a lot of questions like "what kind of structure?" If it's a SOV structure, then you've just removed watchlist from everybody in highsec or lowsec. If it's a Citadel-type deployable, then we have to start having conversations about structure hitpoints, vulnerability windows, deployment time, etc. It gets really complicated really quick.

Locator agents already need a buff, and there is a use for watchlists in the game. It just makes sense to merge the two.

Wormholes already have anomolies, gas sites, ice, moons, etc, so why bother having anything like that in the rest of the universe?

Wormholes are highly unique for a wide range of reasons; just because one fantastic idea was tried out there successfully doesn't mean the rest of EvE should suffer for the one area of space that was lucky enough to be the original testing ground. That's like saying electric windows on cars is a fantastic idea, better keep it only on Lexus-brand autos.

As for your sandbox argument, artificial lines and barriers exist in every single aspect of the game. From the limits of the grid, to connections between systems, to number of industry or research slots a player has, etc. Artificial limits, when used correctly to balance out gamplay, are a fantastic thing. Like artificial limits on jump ranges and fatigue helped bring more people out of hiding because they didn't have to worry as much. The removal of local, along with serious tweaks to the watchlist and locator agents, would be in much the same vein. It's what is done to improve the game.

From years of experience, between the moment a target is located by the agent, the target has already moved around: There is inacurracy.

From the moment you know the target's location (assuming it is in space and interactable with) and the time you moved there tp intercept, the target has moved even further from original location: There is inacurracy.

Or logged off, by the time you get there. Or just logged in and decided to AFK cloak troll you for the next 10 hours, or stay docked.

Asking an agent to locate someone isn't a guarranty of a kill, or even finding a target, or make it interactable. You spend your time to go grind standings. Then spend time to ask an agent. You spend ISK. You spend more time to get to location, and that with no guarranty you will actually have a target when you get there.

Most users of locator agents will tell you that a vast majority of targets, when located, produce no concrete results in the end. Under teh current system I made watchlists of hundred of active players: Easily over 90% of location results doesn't result on anything.

Inacurracy isn't needed.

Maybe a delayed local with each ship having increased directional scan capability.
Certainly would help with the afk cloaker fallacy.

Getting rid of local without at least modifying some other game mechanics would be a bit harsh, but getting rid of local should be a distance goal.

which is exactly what we are saying about watch-lists.

i dont give two ****s about your supers , truly i don't.

what i want is the ability to decern between someone who is actually playing the game and isnt before i waste 40 minuets looking for him.

i dont need to see when he logs in but i would need to know if he is online when i make the decision to try and find him.

this isnt about your supers ,
neither i nor any of my friends could conceivably care any less about what or when you do with them.