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Polarized Machariel: *WOW*
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1 - 2016-02-18 08:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Polarized Machariel: Where have you been all my life? These performance spec are unreal!

• 238 m/s velocity, 0.0515x inertia (Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure)
• 1922 m/s MWD / 2745 m/s overheated (Gist X-Type 500MN MWD, Shaqil's Speed, Zor's Hyper-Link)
• 4.01 AU/s warp speed (High-grade Ascendancy 1-5), 6.76s align time (EM-706)
• 132.4 HP/s shield recharge (cap stable; Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster); 412.9 HP/s (X-Large Ancillary; 27 charges)
• 10 targets, active target lock out to 60km (Auto Targeting System II); 156mm scan resolution; 350m signature

The offensive stats are where it totally blows my mind:

• 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated!
• 360 rounds of ammunition @ 14.1 minutes of non-stop firing (not going to be very long overheated!)
• 102 DPS (5 'Augmented' Hornets) or 246 DPS (2 Geckos)

There are a few key things with this fit:
• No Hyperspacial Velocity rigs to bloat the awesome signature and a fast native speed to tank a lot of incoming damage. It has a really fast align and still does 4AU/s, so with most missions at most 1 jump out it doesn't need insane warp speed (it's still faster than anything else). It does however, need higher inertia to attain velocities faster.
• Cap stable to perma-run the Gist X-Type large shield booster and leave enough for maneuvering and contingencies.
• Auto targeting system because @ 2.35s ROF you need more targets and the ability to auto-lock aggressors so this doesn't negatively impact your DPS. Even if you don't activate it it gives you +3 targets passively.
• I opted for the Gist X-Type MWD because even though it has higher fitting requirements and cap usage, it has the lowest signature bloom when activated. This combination reduces damage considerably @ 2k m/s.

I'm sure I've gone overboard on a few items, and I could probably downgrade the MWD to a Domination version and downgrade two of the Gyrostabilizers to T2 versions.

[Machariel, Machariel]

Domination Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Synthetic Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure
Domination Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Domination Gyrostabilizer

Gist X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Auto Targeting System II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

'Augmented' Hornet x5
Gecko x2

Republic Fleet EMP L x10000
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x10000
Navy Cap Booster 400 x18

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2016-02-18 11:53:17 UTC
Welcome to the world of non-missile polarised weapon systems!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-02-18 15:16:51 UTC
Being ganked by two tornados guaranteed every time...

Seriously a bait punisher has more ehp than that thing
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#4 - 2016-02-19 00:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Surprised it wasn't a Barghest. Though admittedly the Mach does better with mobility overall.

Also, just 'cause I know someone will ask, I'd imagine the Phased Plasma in gun 7 is meant to be EMP like the others unless you are using Plasma.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#5 - 2016-02-19 13:46:08 UTC
A fit I will try if and only if CCP make a pve server.

Will gank for food
Cassius Rex
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#6 - 2016-02-19 13:50:44 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
A fit I will try if and only if CCP make a pve server.


So... never.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#7 - 2016-02-19 17:37:20 UTC
Saw similar fit on youtube hi did angel extra in like 20min without bonus room....wandering why is that.

@ 53.6km that fit w/o implants do sub 600dps w implants it does 700dps on a static target add target movement and add your 2kms and things gonna get missed....

your drone got aggro they will die will never catch up in time to dock -2 geckos ouch!.

I want to like it i really do but what stuff are on it i don't see huge if any benefit over standard mach.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#8 - 2016-02-19 17:44:34 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Saw similar fit on youtube hi did angel extra in like 20min without bonus room....wandering why is that.

@ 53.6km that fit w/o implants do sub 600dps w implants it does 700dps on a static target add target movement and add your 2kms and things gonna get missed....

your drone got aggro they will die will never catch up in time to dock -2 geckos ouch!.

I want to like it i really do but what stuff are on it i don't see huge if any benefit over standard mach.



Arthur do like his paper stats.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#9 - 2016-02-19 17:45:21 UTC
Cassius Rex wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
A fit I will try if and only if CCP make a pve server.


So... never.

My point exactly.

Will gank for food
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-02-19 19:02:02 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:


• 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated!



Roll

It doesn't even do that on paper.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#11 - 2016-02-19 20:28:13 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:


• 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated!



Roll

It doesn't even do that on paper.


Actually, you do with implants. Imps for falloff, RoF, and damage on 7, 9, and 10 respectively gives you those numbers (I actually have slightly worst DPS but better falloff, but my PyFa may be behind an update).

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-02-19 23:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Sobaan Tali wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:


• 1543 DPS @ 53.6km (Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon); 1775 DPS overheated!



Roll

It doesn't even do that on paper.


Actually, you do with implants. Imps for falloff, RoF, and damage on 7, 9, and 10 respectively gives you those numbers (I actually have slightly worst DPS but better falloff, but my PyFa may be behind an update).


On paper, it does that DPS at a little over 3km.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#13 - 2016-02-20 00:46:23 UTC
So since I had some polarized gun lying around I fit my ratting mach up with them and ran a couple forsaken hubs. It was a noticeable difference. I'll link the fit when I get home, posting from this tablet sucks lol.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2016-02-20 04:17:46 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Saw similar fit on youtube hi did angel extra in like 20min without bonus room....wandering why is that.

@ 53.6km that fit w/o implants do sub 600dps w implants it does 700dps on a static target add target movement and add your 2kms and things gonna get missed....

your drone got aggro they will die will never catch up in time to dock -2 geckos ouch!.

I want to like it i really do but what stuff are on it i don't see huge if any benefit over standard mach.


wow shocking news that turret ships don't apply 100% damage all the time Shocked

It's a mach, it has the speed and agility to get into a range where it is doing a large portion of its dps, and it can minimize transversal if it wants to. also since it usually is at a somewhat short range it can recall drones pretty safely. Although not so sure how short range you want to be in a polarized mach.

my biggest concern would be glass cannon, and attractive to gankers.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2016-02-20 09:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Jenn aSide wrote:
So since I had some polarized gun lying around I fit my ratting mach up with them and ran a couple forsaken hubs. It was a noticeable difference. I'll link the fit when I get home, posting from this tablet sucks lol.

Looking forward to it! It looks like what you gain with the Polarized fit is about a half-second (possibly slightly more) ROF over standard autocannons, and the aforementioned 3x increase in ammo capacity. Whether this is enough to offset the loss in falloff is an open question.

With a combination of tracking enhancers, tracking computers and rigs it looks like you can boost the falloff to just over 77km, so that certainly helps increase the DPS with a non-Polarized fit.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
MAK4
Snickers.
#16 - 2016-02-20 10:49:06 UTC
I have been using this fit for the past year or so to run forsaken hubs -

High power
7x Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon
1x Domination Large Proton Smartbomb

Medium power
1x Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
2x Federation Navy Tracking Computer
2x Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Low power
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
3x Domination Tracking Enhancer

Rig Slot
1x Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
1x Large Projectile Burst Aerator II

Charges
15,985x Hail L

Drones
5x Warrior II
2x Gecko


I Have near perfect skills to run the fit and its pushing just over 2000 DPS. If you are fast enough with your mouse and keyboard you will get 45-50 mill isk ticks as I have done it, more if you get faction spawns.

The tank is a bit rough when i first land at the spawn, so what I do is burn towards the centre of spawn while I alpha the cruisers. Then I drop mobile depot and orbit it at 2km. The scram/web frigs are easily dealt with using a faction smartbomb while u concentrate on the battleships. the final wave has frigs that orbit at 12 km so have a faction web in your hold, stop orbiting, web frig and you should be able to pop them with your guns.

The tank holds as your at such close range to the ships, its not cap stable but you only need to pulse the booster. This is also good to run in forsaken rally points but don't try to run a haven in it, you will not survive the last spawn in the gated haven trust me =D

If you want more DPS , you can replace the faction tracking enhancers with drone damage amps, which should give you around 2200 dps I believe, you will not loose much tracking just lack in range but then the NPC's never get past 10 km.

I have also had good use of the polarized guns in the 10/10 Angel DED complex only to solo pop the docked hauler with hail L and I believe you can pop the megathron under frantic repair with the right fit but im still working on that.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#17 - 2016-02-20 14:17:42 UTC
[Machariel, New Setup 4]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier
Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier
Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier
'Radical' Damage Control I

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
True Sansha Heavy Energy Neutralizer

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Curator II x4



Why not run something like this that wont die in .4 seconds to everything?

I get more dps is supposed to mean faster but idk I guess each his own I dont really get the point though.. I have near no tracking issues ever with autos and can lock long before I get webbed by anything..
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#18 - 2016-02-20 14:52:22 UTC
Is the above fit for L4s or anomalies?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#19 - 2016-02-20 16:06:51 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
So since I had some polarized gun lying around I fit my ratting mach up with them and ran a couple forsaken hubs. It was a noticeable difference. I'll link the fit when I get home, posting from this tablet sucks lol.

Looking forward to it! It looks like what you gain with the Polarized fit is about a half-second (possibly slightly more) ROF over standard autocannons, and the aforementioned 3x increase in ammo capacity. Whether this is enough to offset the loss in falloff is an open question.

With a combination of tracking enhancers, tracking computers and rigs it looks like you can boost the falloff to just over 77km, so that certainly helps increase the DPS with a non-Polarized fit.



[Machariel, Polarized AB]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Mark I Compact Capacitor Flux Coil
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Domination 100MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Large Micro Jump Drive

Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Polarized 800mm Repeating Cannon, Hail L
Heavy Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Gecko x2
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hail L x12000
Republic Fleet Fusion L x12000

I use + 3 cap hardwiring to make it cap stable (without the neut and mjd on of course). The ecm drones, neut and mjd are for getting out of sticky situations. I keep at range on my drones 7500 meters, this keeps me moving at the npcs (and also if I have to mjd I'm flying towards my geckos and thus 'barn swallow' them into my drone bay before I' mjd, Geckos are expensive as hell lol)

I keep standard blue pill and standard sooth sayer drugs in my ship, I only use the blue pill if I get caught (I haven't yet, it's just a precaution).

Mid grade partial crystal set lets me tank 500 ish dps Omni (plus the AB helps with tanking too, and in a pinch I can mjd out, never had to). NPCs in Forsaken hubs and rally points all spawn in one place and this thing eats them. Close to 1800 paper dps with +5% gun hardwiring.

I've even tested it side by side with my standard non polarized anom fit and this polarized version beats it on time to complete. One way a standard fit is superior is escalations however. Have to refit for those, I'm not even crazy enough to take this into a DED 10/10 with an overseer shooting citadel missiles lol.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#20 - 2016-02-20 16:18:16 UTC
Have you had any luck with a Polarized Machariel fit for L4 missions? I'm finding it works for some but is seriously under-tanked for others.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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