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Small mining rigs
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Kaihua Longzhu
Andromeda's Tears
#1 - 2016-02-17 00:23:33 UTC
Hey let's have some small mining rigs for Venture, Endurance and the Prospect. Please? Big smile
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2016-02-17 01:23:17 UTC
No

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2016-02-17 04:01:56 UTC
why so they can nerf the base ships forcing people to use the rig?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-02-19 06:49:13 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why so they can nerf the base ships forcing people to use the rig?

Yes.


Pick a point where you think it's the top the ship should be able to perform. It shouldn't perform that well with a cheap setup. It should cost a little. If their performance with tech 2 rigs would be too high, then their current performance is too high for how cheap it is.


The same can be said for Serpentis ships and their strong web bonus. They should need to use deadspace webs to get 90% web strength.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#5 - 2016-02-19 11:08:11 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
why so they can nerf the base ships forcing people to use the rig?

Yes.


Pick a point where you think it's the top the ship should be able to perform. It shouldn't perform that well with a cheap setup. It should cost a little. If their performance with tech 2 rigs would be too high, then their current performance is too high for how cheap it is.


The same can be said for Serpentis ships and their strong web bonus. They should need to use deadspace webs to get 90% web strength.


yeah and blood raiders should have to use xtype to get infinite nos

there needs to be a module that boost the bubble range of hics

dics should need to fit a rig to get their reload down to 60s

Roll

they have already been balanced around whats there im sure ccp didn't just forget to add small rigs

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
CAPTA1N OBVIOUS
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-02-19 15:03:26 UTC
This is a terrible idea, as they will obviously then begin to outperform the larger barges.

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2016-02-19 15:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
CAPTA1N OBVIOUS wrote:
This is a terrible idea, as they will obviously then begin to outperform the larger barges.

They'll mostly outperform the lower end ones. Which have their own benefits that the smaller ships don't have. They might need tweaking if the rigs are added, but we're looking almost entirely at mercoxit and ice bonuses.

Speaking of which, I would love to see some exspansion on the existing mining rigs too. The different options for fittings are pretty stale at the moment. Primarily deciding between tank and yield on a specific setup.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2016-02-19 15:58:46 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
...The same can be said for Serpentis ships and their strong web bonus. They should need to use deadspace webs to get 90% web strength.


YES!

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Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-02-19 18:24:16 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
yeah and blood raiders should have to use xtype to get infinite nos

there needs to be a module that boost the bubble range of hics

dics should need to fit a rig to get their reload down to 60s

Roll

they have already been balanced around whats there im sure ccp didn't just forget to add small rigs

Blood Raiders' NOS trick is not scale-able and furthermore it's only a powerful trick if it's being used with a powerful NOS. No change needed.

I see no reason not to add variations on HIC bubbles, especially more expensive ones. Same goes for DICs. But that is a far more gimmicky module we're talking about, so it's not a particularly strong point of argumentation.



CAPTA1N OBVIOUS wrote:
This is a terrible idea, as they will obviously then begin to outperform the larger barges.

How much mining output do you think these rigs will provide!? A Prospect with T2 mining lasers mines at 75% of the rate of a Procurer with a T1 strip miner.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#10 - 2016-02-19 21:03:08 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:



CAPTA1N OBVIOUS wrote:
This is a terrible idea, as they will obviously then begin to outperform the larger barges.

How much mining output do you think these rigs will provide!? A Prospect with T2 mining lasers mines at 75% of the rate of a Procurer with a T1 strip miner.


but a prospect using modulated miners does start to get close to a proc

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Zylona Femtov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-02-28 16:47:25 UTC
I agree, rigs like that should exist.
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#12 - 2016-02-29 18:09:42 UTC
Smaller ships should be able to out perform the larger barges. A large barge is geared towards mass mining while a smaller ship is geared towards precision mining.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#13 - 2016-03-01 08:03:51 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
Smaller ships should be able to out perform the larger barges. A large barge is geared towards mass mining while a smaller ship is geared towards precision mining.


News to me. Last time I checked, the Expeditionary Frigs were meant to be "starter" mining ships that took less time and ISK to train into and field at the cost that they are not as good as the larger Barges/Exhumers. Mind if I ask you where you heard that explanation?

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#14 - 2016-03-01 09:28:27 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:



CAPTA1N OBVIOUS wrote:
This is a terrible idea, as they will obviously then begin to outperform the larger barges.

How much mining output do you think these rigs will provide!? A Prospect with T2 mining lasers mines at 75% of the rate of a Procurer with a T1 strip miner.


but a prospect using modulated miners does start to get close to a proc

This is incorrect. According to Pyfa's "All 5" character, a Procurer with a single t1 mining beam pulls in 13 m3/s. A Prospect with 2 modulated deep core miner 2s fit with t2 veld crystals pulls in 11.4 m3/s. These are fit with only the mining beams, and nothing else. So, the Prospect gets very close to a Procurer with high skills, which is as it should be. Also, a Venture at all V skills and t2 mining lasers pulls in 9.11 m3/s, or 70% of a Procurer.

No additional rigs are needed to increase mining frigate yield. Simply train into t1 barge, and use the appropriate ship for the job.