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Loss of History and Citadels
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vr0p
Non-Aligned Stellar Trading
#1 - 2016-02-19 16:51:28 UTC
I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...

From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased...
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-02-19 16:59:01 UTC
vr0p wrote:
I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...

From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased...


The last thing we need to do is impede game changes because someone feels nostalgic.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-02-19 17:10:59 UTC
Gotta agree with the above poster here, EvE isn't a game about reliving the past, its a game about paving new futures and inevitably large sections of eve's previous player activity dies with it.

I say bring on the new citadels and create more history
vr0p
Non-Aligned Stellar Trading
#4 - 2016-02-19 17:14:48 UTC
I'm not saying that outposts must be preserved, but perhaps some acknowledgement of notable ones via monuments or lore writeups or artwork or something.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5 - 2016-02-19 17:16:07 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Gotta agree with the above poster here, EvE isn't a game about reliving the past, its a game about paving new futures and inevitably large sections of eve's previous player activity dies with it.

I say bring on the new citadels and create more history


More history to be forgotten as soon as the next new thing comes alone? That sounds like a lesson in futility to me.

Preserving (in some fashion) the history of the game and maintaining links to it's awesome past isn't nostalgia, it's proof the EVE is a living thing that has touched the lives of hundreds of thousands of real people.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2016-02-19 17:17:03 UTC
There is already a monument to EVE players. All of them.

You have to go to Iceland to see it, but whatever. It beats putting the brakes on game development.

Mr Epeen Cool
stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-02-19 17:27:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

More history to be forgotten as soon as the next new thing comes alone? That sounds like a lesson in futility to me.

Preserving (in some fashion) the history of the game and maintaining links to it's awesome past isn't nostalgia, it's proof the EVE is a living thing that has touched the lives of hundreds of thousands of real people.


It's... a game. Are you high?

1000x more people in this world have played Euchre than EVE. We don't have monuments to Euchre IRL because that would be ridiculously stupid. We also don't talk about how Euchre 'touched the lives of millions of people'.
Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2016-02-19 17:28:51 UTC
I just view this as phenomenally unimportant, if you want to erect a monument eject a mobile depot
Ginnie
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-02-19 17:35:34 UTC
Take screenshot...post it on Reddit, it will be immortalized.

Like the old Maller, awful looking, but there's still traces of it on the web...and always will be

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-02-19 18:06:19 UTC
Converting Outposts to Large Collidable Ojects should be an easy task. Just like Steve, they could sit still and do no harm (by themselves).
As long as the assets (model, shaders) remain in the game (unlike Jove ships etc.), it's be no big deal to keep them where they are now. Minus any kind of functionality.

NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#11 - 2016-02-19 19:13:39 UTC
IF the memory serves them (players) right, they will update the "monuments". Its players role to remember their comrades. There is no CCP dev that will go for you renaming and reinstating everything, because the old system have to be phased out.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2016-02-19 19:37:44 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
There is already a monument to EVE players. All of them.

You have to go to Iceland to see it, but whatever. It beats putting the brakes on game development.

Mr Epeen Cool


One of your problems is that you jump to conclusions. You think that someone is trying to "put the breaks on game development". The OP even clarified by saying :

vr0p wrote:
I'm not saying that outposts must be preserved, but perhaps some acknowledgement of notable ones via monuments or lore writeups or artwork or something.


How is that unreasonable?

Remembering the exploits and achievements of other players (some of whom may not play anymore, or in specific case my even be deceased) is not putting the brakes on anything, it's simply a small token of appreciation to remember the real life people who we've played with and against. People who had a concrete impact on this player driven game we play.

I understand you don't value such things, but others of us do.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2016-02-19 19:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Jenn aSide wrote:

I understand you don't value such things, but others of us do.
Then do something about it. Be proactive instead of whiny. Set up a free website. Call it 'My completely, for realz, unbiased EVE history' and go nuts.

Be the EVE advocate that you have to date painted yourself as but never actually showed evidence of.

Mr Epeen Cool
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#14 - 2016-02-19 19:54:41 UTC
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#15 - 2016-02-19 19:58:24 UTC
If nullsec player-built stations do eventually get 100% removed, things like a beacon commemorating important/historical stations like 9UY4-H and 5P-AIP wouldn't be bad.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#16 - 2016-02-19 20:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mr Epeen wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

I understand you don't value such things, but others of us do.
Then do something about it. Be proactive instead of whiny. Set up a free website. Call it 'My completely, for realz, unbiased EVE history' and go nuts.

Be the EVE advocate that you have to date painted yourself as but never actually showed evidence of.

Mr Epeen Cool


If CCP will let me (or anyone else) in some way place in game monuments (with approval, like logos maybe?) to commemorate important things in places where they won't if they don't have the time, I'd be happy to help if it will lesson some of the strain on whatever team this impacts (the team that handles lore maybe?).

I don't see why the idea of a small write up in some places , or a beacon is such a big deal. Again, no one is asking for a halt to any development, just perhaps a small token towards memorable events and people. Like I said, I know that means nothing to you, but it does to others.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2016-02-19 21:01:31 UTC
vr0p wrote:
I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...

From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased...

Do you know what the abandoned station in Isanamo commemorates?
vr0p
Non-Aligned Stellar Trading
#18 - 2016-02-19 21:24:11 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

Do you know what the abandoned station in Isanamo commemorates?


Nope
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#19 - 2016-02-19 22:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
vr0p wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:

Do you know what the abandoned station in Isanamo commemorates?

Nope

Exactly my point. [I believe it was a prop for a player event in the early days of EVE. ]

Someday few will remember POS and outposts either (except perhaps some CCP dev waking in a cold sweat from a coding nightmare).

Heck, NASA doesn't even have the original moon-landing video. They recorded over it. Now that's a loss.
vr0p
Non-Aligned Stellar Trading
#20 - 2016-02-19 23:14:04 UTC
If you don't know what it is, why do you assign the attribute of commemoration to it?
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