EVE General Discussion

But HOPE is still in the box :)

Don't try - you need to know your Hesiod to get the meaning. Or google ...

I know what you are trying to say, War Kitten.

But the way you said it could be misinterpreted. If they are equally skilled (same amount of SP), then the one that 'paid to win' will likely lose due to less experience since they will have to be much younger.

So all I'm asking you, and anyone else posting on the topic, is to be very aware of what you are saying and use experience when you mean experience and not skill when you mean experience. Thanks to CCP calling those things we train skills instead of content-unlockers in the first place, we get to have this confusion all the time.

Well. That's my PSA for the week out of the way. Whew.

Mr Epeen

You are funny - I think it would take a five year old child 2 minutes to understand that someone else has paid money for your game time.

If PLEX would be not tradeable on the market and could only be sold to NPC buy orders - do you think CCP would sell significantly less PLEX? The function of being a PLEX buyer can easily replaced by another game mechanism without affecting the revenue.

Do not get me wrong, every player contributes to the success of the game, whether he plays for free or pays for the sub.
But from a financial perspective, you are a second class customer if you do not spend money on the product.

NPC PLEX buyers would instantly become the largest ISK faucet in game. Currently PLEX is a net ISK sink with trade taxes so I don't think this change would be good for the game economy. NPC plex buyers would mean that everyone would need to pay cash to play but I don't see why it matters at the end of the day who paid for the gametime.

So your idea is to create a massive ISK faucet at the same time as kicking everyone who can't/don't want to pay for his subscription ?

You are an idiot.

Ive been thinking about this a lot lately.

A lot of people don't understand the argument while a lot of people are not getting there points across clearly.

Firstly. If skill points don't matter that much, then why the need for the injectors? Every argument for them is that "SP doesn't mean anything" which is counter intuitive for needing the injectors. Apparently they do mean "something".

Thats not my overall point however, but it is a main issue I have.

When I started playing EVE so many years ago I fell in love with it and the people that made it. This is the first and only game that I ever read every dev blog about let alone actually knew who the devs are. To this day I can't name one person that makes any other game. I know many EVE devs faces and "there chosen nicknames" by heart. Ive even learned there personalities over the years either through watching them or direct interaction. There's several of them that I would immediately recognize if I was in line next to them at the grocery store, for me, this REALLY means something. I dont know the names of the people in my favorite bands.

While most of them do not know me, and the couple Ive actually talked to in passing Im sure dont remember me, when they do something with more interest of there own then the player base, I tend to take it personally as a player. CCP is supposed to be different, they are supposed to be beyond such things. EVE is supposed to be the one MMO with true integrity that is still out there.

I am not going to argue if skill injectors are are going to currently hurt the game or not. I think they will in some ways for very valid reasons but thats beyond the current point. The fact is plain and simple, they just should not be there. The reason CCP Falcon initially felt the same way is because he was intuitive enough from being with the company so long to know that it goes against what EVE is supposed to stand for and be. He is an employee of CCP however and I understand why he posted what he did. I don't agree with it, but I understand. Most of us "freaking out" over this are not doing so solely on what injectors do, but because we are legitimately afraid for the future of EVE.

You need to understand that while one thing wont break the game, a recurring theme can. It started with PLEX. I understand PLEX and I am OK with it. It keeps the player base numbers up and has a use, however the game would be better at its core if it did not exist because losses and gains would matter more and be equal for everyone. Again, I get it though and in my heart I give it a pass. Then aurum came out, this was the breaking of the dam. In a game like this, that type of thing should not exist. Everyone argued that you cant buy anything that effects the game or matters to anyone so we let it slide (after monocle gate anyway, wich should have told us something). Now this with the skill injectors.

Skill injectors do effect the game. We've crossed the bridge of being able to pay RL money for something that actually does something in the game. You can argue if its game breaking or a problem on its own all day but that is not the real issue that so many of us are worried about. Those of us that are scared for the future are afraid that this theme will continue to a point where it does ruin the game to a point that it is not what both EVE and CCP are supposed to be and stand for anymore and with the way things are going, we have a reason to be scared. Sure if you stay on this path you might bring in a lot of new people that are OK with it with a new players base and stay alive, but it wont be EVE anymore and the people that shared your original vision will be gone.

I have had a lot of respect for CCP over the years. Ive legitimately admired a lot of the devs back in the day, and I normally dont admire anyone. You guys created something awesome. All we ask is that you stay true to what you created like you always said you would. This isnt the way to do it. I understand the corporate talk and all that, and I understand that we will not get a non filtered response and I can not blame anyone for that, but those of us that know CCP and know EVE know what you are doing and we are afraid for the future of something, while created by you, we both love and made grow.

Good point, I probably should've said "experienced players" instead of "skilled", but I did say "players" and "characters" when I meant to.

Well it wouldn't be possible now as Eve is like the minority of games that actually still does subscriptions. Reading Johny Pew last post, the plex system was to allow players who are unable to opt into the game to play, otherwise they would have to pass up. I knew a couple of corp members that actually had to farm a bit more then I did because they are unable to at the time to pay for a sub and so relied on plexes or gtc's especially after the 09 recesssion.

It also helped solve the issue of people who had more time and less cash to play the game without paying another dime other then the purchase of the account. While helping people who had less time or the actual cash to make a bunch of in game cash "legally" to help fuel the their fun while CCP earned some extra revenue. These skill injectors are to me forward thinking like the plex system in giving people alternatives to the choices they have to make. Like why should I bother playing Eve now when the majority of the players are hitting at least 50 million in sp avg (pre skill trading) when there are other sand box games they can play that is about to hit the market?

Everyone who has been playing this game consistently keeps thinking that most players will somehow tough it out, but those graphs they showed in pre 2010 of how of the difficulty curve being a cliff is actually a Achilles heel for CCP. So unless people here wants to start offering their in game isk to bring in new blood, CCP needs to at least give players an option to be able to catch up.



So a 50 million sp toon with no past? Yea I can see a null sec alliance instantly recruiting them as there is obviously something not fishy that it has been less then a year and they have > 10 mill sp. That is quite a danger with some of the posters here making amusing/ludicrous statements in regards to skill trading.

He's 100% right. Just because you have everything at 5 doesn't mean you know how to fly a ship. This is how groups like REKKINGCREW are constantly finding titans to kill.

And still after 13 years everything is all about "pvp", What about those industrialists huh? Nothing?!