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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#581 - 2016-02-18 00:13:37 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3024863#post3024863
Not a Dev post, but he is referencing a market intervention by CCP DrEyjo which the latter talked about at Fanfest. Basically, DrEyjo used PLEX from premabanned accounts.


Yes but again, we can't verify that. My previous post was based on that video. I've also wondered if they have confiscated enough PLEX to support the buddy PLEX system, again, can't prove a bit of it one way or the other. We'd never know if they did create it or reprocess it. We could suspect, but never actually 'know'.

I am curious as to how the entire PLEX vs. Skill Trading things balances out. Will be interesting to see if the prices increase or decrease in a few months time.


Okay, yes fine. Dr. Eyjo could have some sort of pathological liar, but I doubt it. Each PLEX represents a liability on CCP's books until it is used. Why create, out of thin air, liabilities that could sit on one's balance sheet for an indeterminate period.

Further, if we are going to go this route you have to doubt, literally, everything. Was Dr. Caymus really the highest SP character in the game? You can't verify it. Chribba could be a liar too when it comes to that. CCP could be lying.

Could everyone be lying about everything...yeah sure. But I'd rather not give into complete nihilism just yet.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#582 - 2016-02-18 06:22:26 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Dalketh wrote:
I realize this was done as a joke (and the owner's need for attention) but it does make me sad.

Yes, some humans can do that to you. We are not perfect, sadly.

Quote:
Equivalency is established once it can be bought and sold with real money.


So it can describe how much things are worth in game, by taking amount of money you did pay for the item to CCP, and describing for how much it can sell on market in Jita, in ISK value. This is your "equivalency", but its the only use it can have outside game from terms CCP made, to protect the game and their legal status.

So this is only a rough estimate. Not real money value. Actually, legally everything in game, bought from CCP with real money is worth exactly 0$ every time because of terms you accepted.


In fact I'm pretty sure everything that exists in the eve world is the sole property of CCP. You don't even own the plex you bought or the isk in your wallet.

It is the property of CCP however the player has a legal right to use it because a contract is established between CCP and the player whenever money is exchanged for anything in game and the default understanding is that CCP will provide that "thing" to the player on an ongoing basis as long as the player complies with CCP rules.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#583 - 2016-02-18 06:43:21 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
Dalketh wrote:
I realize this was done as a joke (and the owner's need for attention) but it does make me sad.

Yes, some humans can do that to you. We are not perfect, sadly.

Quote:
Equivalency is established once it can be bought and sold with real money.


So it can describe how much things are worth in game, by taking amount of money you did pay for the item to CCP, and describing for how much it can sell on market in Jita, in ISK value. This is your "equivalency", but its the only use it can have outside game from terms CCP made, to protect the game and their legal status.

So this is only a rough estimate. Not real money value. Actually, legally everything in game, bought from CCP with real money is worth exactly 0$ every time because of terms you accepted.


In fact I'm pretty sure everything that exists in the eve world is the sole property of CCP. You don't even own the plex you bought or the isk in your wallet.

It is the property of CCP however the player has a legal right to use it because a contract is established between CCP and the player whenever money is exchanged for anything in game and the default understanding is that CCP will provide that "thing" to the player on an ongoing basis as long as the player complies with CCP rules.


Except you have to remember you also "signed" a contract with them that they can seize anything they want for pretty much any reasons.

They won't seize it without a reason but if they have one, the claim of ownership of a PLEX will be moot.
Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#584 - 2016-02-18 15:31:52 UTC
This dude is serious, he picked up a copy of Mobile Refinery Operation and plugged it in some time over the last day or two. Well done!

I wonder if he'd be interested in buying my extra copy of the Mobile Factory Operation skill book... Blink
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#585 - 2016-02-18 15:46:20 UTC
Dr Caymus wrote:
This dude is serious, he picked up a copy of Mobile Refinery Operation and plugged it in some time over the last day or two. Well done!

I wonder if he'd be interested in buying my extra copy of the Mobile Factory Operation skill book... Blink



Be sure to sell it to him for 1.7 trillion ISK. P

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#586 - 2016-02-18 16:00:40 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dr Caymus wrote:
This dude is serious, he picked up a copy of Mobile Refinery Operation and plugged it in some time over the last day or two. Well done!

I wonder if he'd be interested in buying my extra copy of the Mobile Factory Operation skill book... Blink



Be sure to sell it to him for 1.7 trillion ISK. P

... oh, at least that... I would think this book would command a significant premium! Cool
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#587 - 2016-02-18 18:56:05 UTC
Dr Caymus wrote:
This dude is serious, he picked up a copy of Mobile Refinery Operation and plugged it in some time over the last day or two. Well done!

I wonder if he'd be interested in buying my extra copy of the Mobile Factory Operation skill book... Blink

Dr Caymus, I sympathize with you. Being the top dog in amassed SP was your thing and that's been taken away from you.

It sucks, to be sure.

But let's look at the big picture. You two are are an insignificant portion of the players base. You two are outliers. You two are unimportant in your little battle of the SP to the majority of people playing.

Let it go.

Mr Epeen Cool
Don Pera Saissore
#588 - 2016-02-18 19:47:46 UTC
That insignificant part of the player base was respected by every player for their love and dedication to this game

and now...

now they just look like a bunch of losers, spending all that time and money just so they can be betrayed by the makers.

let it go sounds more like go **** yourself
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#589 - 2016-02-18 19:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Quote:
That insignificant part of the player base was respected by every player for their love and dedication to this game


I have heard about Caymus just now, when someone maxed his character, and I play this game for years. Its so ironic, dont you think?

Quote:

Cosmic irony (irony of fate)

The expression cosmic irony or "irony of fate" stems from the notion that the gods (or the Fates) are amusing themselves by toying with the minds of mortals with deliberate ironic intent. Closely connected with situational irony, it arises from sharp contrasts between reality and human ideals, or between human intentions and actual results. The resulting situation is poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#590 - 2016-02-18 20:28:02 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
That insignificant part of the player base was respected by every player for their love and dedication to this game


Seriously, you can't make this stuff up folks!

Oh wait...you just did.

Worshiping someone because they happened to be subbed longer than anyone else is not only lame, but to say that more than a handful of people knew about it or cared that much is an outright lie.

I think you are confusing people that have made no contribution of note to this game with people like Chribba, who is an actual EVE hero.

Mr Epeen Cool
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#591 - 2016-02-18 22:57:05 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
That insignificant part of the player base was respected by every player for their love and dedication to this game

and now...

now they just look like a bunch of losers, spending all that time and money just so they can be betrayed by the makers.

let it go sounds more like go **** yourself


Don Pera Saissore wrote:
was respected by every player for their love and dedication to this game



LOLNOPE
Memphis Baas
#592 - 2016-02-18 23:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
So the average rank of the 415 different skills in EVE is 4.465.
Don Pera Saissore
#593 - 2016-02-19 02:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Don Pera Saissore
Nana Skalski wrote:
I have heard about Caymus just now, when someone maxed his character, and I play this game for years. Its so ironic, dont you think?


no thats actually sad

Mr Epeen wrote:
I think you are confusing people that have made no contribution of note to this game with people like Chribba, who is an actual EVE hero.


being a member of the community for 13 years counts for something in my book. sticking with it through tough times is a contribution

worship? no, just respect

Frostys Virpio wrote:
LOLNOPE


lol goon
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#594 - 2016-02-19 05:14:09 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:


LOLNOPE


Why are we stuck with you as the latest, and almost the worst I might add, Goon CCP Cheerleader?

Did you fall asleep when it was your turn to bump the freighter?

Farning those goldmines in napsec got boring?

This one is a perfect example of what you have gotten following the Goons advice CCP.

Eve dumbed down.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#595 - 2016-02-19 05:47:11 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


LOLNOPE


Why are we stuck with you as the latest, and almost the worst I might add, Goon CCP Cheerleader?

Did you fall asleep when it was your turn to bump the freighter?

Farning those goldmines in napsec got boring?

This one is a perfect example of what you have gotten following the Goons advice CCP.

Eve dumbed down.


The Butthurt is strong in this one.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#596 - 2016-02-19 09:06:45 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I have heard about Caymus just now, when someone maxed his character, and I play this game for years. Its so ironic, dont you think?


no thats actually sad


no thats just life

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ᴏsᴘʀᴇʏ 🚀

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stg slate
State War Academy
Caldari State
#597 - 2016-02-19 15:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: stg slate
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


LOLNOPE


Why are we stuck with you as the latest, and almost the worst I might add, Goon CCP Cheerleader?



Wait are Goons now CCP Cheerleaders? Is the top alliance automatically assumed to be dev pets?

Seriously I remember this same sort of stupid irrational hatred when it was Band of Brothers as top dog and it was all 'Grrr BoB' and everyone cheered for Goons.

Also, didn't CCP just shove a rule through stopping a goon from running for CSM, and wasn't one of the big complaints that no one at CCP trusts goons, and they told it to their faces?

Your signature and statement make no sense. T20 isn't around handing out T2 BPOs to Goons that's for sure.
Adeline Rais
Rais Industries and Research Incorporated
#598 - 2016-02-19 15:08:59 UTC
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:


Grrrrr.


Fixed
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Doomheim
#599 - 2016-02-20 08:42:24 UTC
As we can see, the sp injection is not abuse, and we can't insta titan a pilot. Thx CCP
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#600 - 2016-02-20 11:22:47 UTC
This thread is still going??