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Wormhole Combat Site and Anom Nerf?

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Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-09 18:35:55 UTC
At first I thought we had hit a stroke of bad luck with combat sites in our C2 and C1 Wormholes, but the problem has become increasingly difficult to shrug off. I have personally ran 8-10 sites solo and totaled less than 40 mil in total reward. It's pathetic as before I was making close to 110-145 mil after splitting the loot between corpmates. The key profit being nanoribbons in C2's leaves us scraping through 4 or 5 hangars or libraries without find so much as a single nanoribbon. It's becoming pathetic and frankly depressing.

My question to the community: Is anyone else experiencing this ****, please let the voice be heard if so.
As for the Devs: Did we get nerfed? This is a primary source of income for our new players as they learn the ropes of New Eden and we teach them all the PvP skills to be able to sustain themselves. Without it, we've got very little in terms of isk, save for the PI ops which are now the solo source of income for the POS we have running (at 100% effiecncy due to recent Crucible expansion)

Please, for the sake of the children, can we have our appeal for a new singularity space cow?
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2012-01-09 18:51:52 UTC
Dry spells happen. Random salvage is random. This is what you experience living in C1/C2 wormholes.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-09 18:56:48 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Dry spells happen. Random salvage is random. This is what you experience living in C1/C2 wormholes.


This.

I ran an easy C1 yesterday (perimeter ambush point) and got 11 ribbons from it.

Ran one today, 2 ribbons.
Kinthi Miriani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-09 19:11:16 UTC
Any unfairness or bug you perceive in this regard is entirely psychological in nature.

Randomness is random.

I bet there are people who think what you're experiencing is the norm and consider it lucky when they make 145mill a piece.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-09 19:50:46 UTC
Solution would be to move to a real WH.
Nano drops from c1-2 sites are junk, always have been.

There is no Bob.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-01-09 21:31:13 UTC
Captain Evenwel wrote:
At first I thought we had hit a stroke of bad luck with combat sites in our C2 and C1 Wormholes, but the problem has become increasingly difficult to shrug off.


We just went thru a rough spell in a couple of our not-C1/2 w-systems. A combination of very few sites spawning and awful ribbon drops from the ones we cleared. I was starting to get despondent (despite my **knwoing** that these things vary over time) and wonder whether something had been quietly nerfed.

Two days ago that changed. I am getting more anoms spawning than I can clear in a session and they seem to have taken nanoribbon steroids, given the drops. I haven't yet seen a resurgence in mag/radar sites, but am expecting it to soon follow. I am rationalising that it's a reflection of the ppl in my regionas / constellations taking time off over the holiday period ... the cheek of them.

Take heart, random is random and it all stabilises out over time. Generally w-space effort requires a long-term view to keep going thru these inevitable lean periods.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#7 - 2012-01-09 23:24:14 UTC
The less people do the anoms in your region/constellation and the more accumulate in quiet systems, the less income you'll eventually get. Then someone will stumble in and grind 30 sites in a day and they'll start respawning into your system.

The same goes for gravs and ladars. Often our C4 would go weeks without seeing any, then we'd have 3 a day for a week.
Endeavour Starfleet
#8 - 2012-01-10 01:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Take a dice in a cup and do a bunch of rolls. Do this every day or even every hour...

You will have a number of times where you hit high numbers and times where you hit low. Dry spells will happen even with that.

Now take that and imagine many many MANY times that happening every time something spawns. (In hardware obviously)

Actually CCP if you are reading this is there anything you can reveal to us about the random system EVE uses? Is it some kind of direct noise reading based ethropy like /dev/random ? Or something in house written?

Just curious. I obviously don't want to know if it also powers your encryption systems. Just curious about what goes into rat spawns.
Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-11 06:09:21 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Captain Evenwel wrote:
At first I thought we had hit a stroke of bad luck with combat sites in our C2 and C1 Wormholes, but the problem has become increasingly difficult to shrug off.


We just went thru a rough spell in a couple of our not-C1/2 w-systems. A combination of very few sites spawning and awful ribbon drops from the ones we cleared. I was starting to get despondent (despite my **knwoing** that these things vary over time) and wonder whether something had been quietly nerfed.

Two days ago that changed. I am getting more anoms spawning than I can clear in a session and they seem to have taken nanoribbon steroids, given the drops. I haven't yet seen a resurgence in mag/radar sites, but am expecting it to soon follow. I am rationalising that it's a reflection of the ppl in my regionas / constellations taking time off over the holiday period ... the cheek of them.

Take heart, random is random and it all stabilises out over time. Generally w-space effort requires a long-term view to keep going thru these inevitable lean periods.


Appreciate it, it's been a little rough for the guys. Been going on for several months now, seemed a little more than a 'site trough' as we get those every few months. But it was more like a drought. I mean nothing...10 sites in 1 week and not a single ribbon...I mean this has been on since Mid October/ Early November.

Glad to hear we're not entirely alone though. You might be right, there has always seemed to be several pattern sets in relevance to exits and sites. Maybe you're right...just hope it ends soon.
Felstaff Celium
Leeole's Legion
Rainbow Knights
#10 - 2012-01-11 06:11:02 UTC
Can't speak about C1's or C2's, but the C3's I have been farming are as random as ever. Roll through three C3's, first two have no combats or sigs to scan down. The third one has 40 combats, and 30 sigs to scan. Clear 6 sites and get 3 ribbons, take a break for food and bio then get 8 ribbons in 2 sites. If you have lived in a WH for more then 3 months, you know nothing is ever the same. One nice thing about not seeing K-space for months or weeks, is that when I do, the loot I take out is normally about the same value each time. Hi plus low = average. My corp can burn through over 100 combats in a month and get anything from zero to ten ribbons per combat site. If that is not evidence enough of the RNG Gods at work, the fact that it has been that way for over a year is (at least for me!).
Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-11 06:13:15 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Dry spells happen. Random salvage is random. This is what you experience living in C1/C2 wormholes.


We've been doing WH's of all sizes for years. Profit is in the PI and c4-6 raids. For our beginers here it's been more of a drought than a dry spell.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-11 13:51:39 UTC
random things are rather random. no matter what class, sometimes you dont get much for nanoribbons for days, and then you strike gold a few times. If you want better income, go to class 4 or higher where your main income is the blue loot anyway, and nanoribbons are just a nice extra
carnivore2k4
The Herd
#13 - 2012-01-12 12:57:46 UTC
And you know what's the best thing about randomness? Eventually it averages itself out ;)

Just checked the last few payouts for out C4 anos and every time it came down to approximately 100 million per ano flown with a variation of maybe 5% up or down and payout after 30 to 60 anos.
Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#14 - 2012-01-12 13:23:46 UTC
Our WH's a little dry atm :P

but should pick up soon thats the WH game :D

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#15 - 2012-01-12 16:03:26 UTC
I daytrip C1s and C2s for isk-making. I've never had a problem with MNR drop rates. Need to do it again soon, I need to build a stupidly expensive ship for the lolz :)

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Rythm
True Power Team
#16 - 2012-01-12 21:25:34 UTC
somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging.
looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-13 01:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Rythm wrote:
somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging.
looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.


^calling bullcrap on this...

Captain Evenwel wrote:
Profit is in the PI


^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor Lol
if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout

Rythm
True Power Team
#18 - 2012-01-13 02:05:05 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Rythm wrote:
somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging.
looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.


^calling bullcrap on this...

Captain Evenwel wrote:
Profit is in the PI


^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor Lol
if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites.

just try lol. I've heard ibis with t1 salvager works best.
Captain Evenwel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-13 03:03:23 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Rythm wrote:
somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging.
looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.


^calling bullcrap on this...

Captain Evenwel wrote:
Profit is in the PI


^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor Lol
if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites.


Just going to throw it out there and suggest that you haven't successfully attempted large-scale PI operations.

We're talking C1's and 2's if you were reading. As such is the case, perhaps you should try and understand how to maximize PI.

We make billions in our P3's and P4's. Problems is that to do that takes some serious day to day dedication. Not time, just comitment. Nobody want's to be that guy without at least a portion of contribution from others. PI is the main profit in low end WH's.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-01-13 03:08:17 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Rythm wrote:
somehow chance of the drop depends on the speed of your salvaging.
looks like there's hidden variable which says that you cannot get more than X ribbons in Y amount of time.


^calling bullcrap on this...

Captain Evenwel wrote:
Profit is in the PI


^this made me spray my coffee on my monitor Lol
if you really think that is the case, you need to learn how to run WH sites.


LOL me too. Cause if you read his OP, he is talking about C1 and C2. I don't care how good you are running C1 sites, you will likely make more off your PI alts.
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