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[petition] Factional Foreign Legions

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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2016-02-12 11:30:49 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
CONCORD's pendulum wars are proof in and of itself that CONCORD is the most debased, devoid of compassion and Godless political entity in the Galaxy. Bloodraiders like you and Mercs like PYRE are small-time opportunists compared with the swaggering inhuman monstrosity that is CONCORD.


I refuse to believe that CONCORD is a debased monstrosity devoid of compassion... though it may be godless.

I do, however, approve of being compared to PYRE. Hello, sweeties!

Xs and O O Os!
.

We are getting complimented? Shocked

This must be a trick of some kind...
Halfrek Foley
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-02-12 12:55:29 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I spoke with your CEO for a bit today Noh. It was an interesting little chat.

Instead of making pointless petitions you should get off your lazy ass, undock and help her grind those agent missions to get your corp standings up. Remember that friends don't let friends grind level 3s all alone. Share the pain!

Directrix Noh is far from lazy.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#23 - 2016-02-12 14:27:14 UTC
You should direct this to TLF or if you want to go even further maybe even to cartel.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#24 - 2016-02-12 14:37:14 UTC
1) It is in the interest of keeping peace to channel patriotic warmongering sentiments into these toy wars.

2) It is in the interest of nation states to use Militias as holding pens for potential loyalist forces, in case we actually need to escalate one day.

3) CONCORD wants to charge you good money for "war declarations".

In other words; if you just want targets to explode, just pay your war dec costs like every other pirate. If you want into the factional wars, pick a loyalty and stick to it.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#25 - 2016-02-12 15:07:54 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
I spoke with your CEO for a bit today Noh. It was an interesting little chat.

Instead of making pointless petitions you should get off your lazy ass, undock and help her grind those agent missions to get your corp standings up. Remember that friends don't let friends grind level 3s all alone. Share the pain!


Fit a Svipul and do it solo. It's not hard, just irritatingly tedious.


I used a Magus.

Elmund Egivand wrote:
In fact, I doubt these petitions even go any further than the PR head's desk.


I doubt they make it that far. If you do not understand the purpose of these petitions, it seems I overestimated you.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2016-02-13 02:35:18 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

I, Gosakumori Noh - Equilibrium Nun and Angel of Mercy (ironically, also an avid purchaser of Angel toe tags) - refuse to believe CONCORD has become so debased, so devoid of compassion and humanity, that it would not at least consider easing the hardships pod people inflict upon All Mankind.

Baseline standing requirements for capsuleers looking to shoot at one another must be abolished!



CONCORD's pendulum wars are proof in and of itself that CONCORD is the most debased, devoid of compassion and Godless political entity in the Galaxy. Bloodraiders like you and Mercs like PYRE are small-time opportunists compared with the swaggering inhuman monstrosity that is CONCORD.

And people say I have a criminal background...


You do. Some of us remember back when Nationalism wasn't your drug of choice and, instead, you liked all the OTHER drugs Mr Mokk. It really wasn't all that long ago. Honestly, the product we sell is very straightforward compared to some of the stuff you and your friends peddled.



Still petty ante compared to the things CONCORD pulls daily.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2016-02-13 18:50:34 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Gosakumori Noh wrote:

I, Gosakumori Noh - Equilibrium Nun and Angel of Mercy (ironically, also an avid purchaser of Angel toe tags) - refuse to believe CONCORD has become so debased, so devoid of compassion and humanity, that it would not at least consider easing the hardships pod people inflict upon All Mankind.

Baseline standing requirements for capsuleers looking to shoot at one another must be abolished!



CONCORD's pendulum wars are proof in and of itself that CONCORD is the most debased, devoid of compassion and Godless political entity in the Galaxy. Bloodraiders like you and Mercs like PYRE are small-time opportunists compared with the swaggering inhuman monstrosity that is CONCORD.

And people say I have a criminal background...


You do. Some of us remember back when Nationalism wasn't your drug of choice and, instead, you liked all the OTHER drugs Mr Mokk. It really wasn't all that long ago. Honestly, the product we sell is very straightforward compared to some of the stuff you and your friends peddled.



Still petty ante compared to the things CONCORD pulls daily.


Here we have no disagreements. I hate my six-monthly meeting with what I've started referring to as my "case worker" or my "handler" so that we can talk about ways I can improve my lifestyle and then end with the paperwork where I sign over all the money that restitution requires.

It's all about the money.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jev North
Doomheim
#28 - 2016-02-13 20:23:22 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
Xs and O O Os!




Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
In other words; if you just want targets to explode, just pay your war dec costs like every other pirate.

I don't.. what?

Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
If you want into the factional wars, pick a loyalty and stick to it.

Nah.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2016-02-16 08:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Very sorry for the very late reply, Mr. Kinnison. There is much to think about and elaborate on and I really like to sit down and think this through. However, the going-on’s on my end conspired to deprive me of any free time I need to come up with a proper reply. Now that nothing is demanding my attention, I can now go through your points and reply to them in a hopefully satisfactory manner.

Skyweir Kinnison wrote:


The language you use is militaristic, but the sentiment is one I can accept. However, it is restrictive. It is perfectly possible to mobilise opinion peacefully and effect change by argument, debate and consensus. The idea of a petition is to begin the debate, to judge whether such an 'army' might even exist. In the State for example, your view might be prevalent - one's opinion is given to you and if you defer, perhaps one only has the militray option. In a democracy, one must build consensus. One does not achieve much by 'hurting' one's opponents, at least in peace. Offering something they desire, for their benefit, is a much better strategy.

When I mentioned the need for an ‘army’, I do not necessarily mean an army bearing weapons with the intent to cause bloodshed. I meant a crowd of people who are willing to put their careers, lives and social lives at risk for the sake of advancing the advocated cause. However, this army has to be dedicated, as already mentioned earlier, it has to be *very* visible, *very* persistent and it has to be able to hurt the decision-makers in some way.

Using the example of democracy, you need a very loud army of protestors, parked in a very visible spot that also happens to disrupt the logistics and administrative functions of the organisation of which the decision-makers belong to. Their presence alone will be threatening enough, especially if the decision-makers belong to a governing body, considering that this army is made out of people who will not be voting for them in the next election until they address the issue-in-question and satisfy the army in some way. However, all of this will be for nothing if the army can’t gather on a weekly basis to generate persistent publicity. An army that shows up only once and then vanishes for the rest of the year is in no way threatening to the decision-makers, especially since the lack of persistence allows them to ‘forget’ about the issue and do nothing about it.

In other societies, yes, said army will need weapons and leaders with military backgrounds.

Skyweir Kinnison wrote:

This particular petition is, in my own view, misguided. Nonetheless, many petitions gather people of like mind together for later action. For example, Doctor Priano's laudable attempt to highlight CONCORD's lack of transparency. There is a groundswell of support for her petition, one that CONCORD will not take lightly. We may not see them give in, but I feel sure the Councill will take note and something good will come of the initiative. The actions of IKAME and its partners are at the heart of the petition and form its moral authority - just the attributes that bring political change. One cannot force CONCORD, nor the Minmatar Republic - one can persuade.

Words are in fact, our greatest weapons. Signatures indicate our personal dedciation to an idea. Both are powerful.

The last time CONCORD actually responded to capsuleer protests without resorting to CONCORDOKKEN-ing all the protestors away and actually fix something that I can think of was during the Monocle-gate incident. I do not need to elaborate what went on, but I firmly believe that the only reason why CONCORD responded was because the capsuleer protests *hurt* them, and the rest of high-sec (and possibly the rest of the cluster).

Remember that the protest eventually developed to the point that the capsuleers occupied Jita, shot up a monument and then proceed to resign from capsuleer-hood (either momentarily or permanently) en-masse, resulting in a slow-down in trade and causing an economic repression all around the cluster. This forced CONCORD to actually sit down and listen and act for once.

Yes, words were traded prior to the riot, but had the words not inspired the participants of the riot into, well, rioting, the words would be meaningless. Words by themselves mean nothing. People say things all the time and then forget all about it the next day. For the words to actually mean something, said words must inspire action.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-02-17 11:56:56 UTC
Thank you for the well-argued reply, Captain Egivand.

We are, I think, essentially in agreement. Where perhaps our views diverge is more a matter of emphasis. I believe that persuasion and consensus must be the first port of call in our democracy, and direct action the last. Militancy tends to create a sense of 'winners and losers' which inevitably makes the necessary compromises a greater challenge than they might have been at the start.

I am not one who considers a government must be afraid of its people - unless that government proves so cavalier with the rights and safeguards of its people as to deserve their wrath.

Nonetheless, such a consensual approach demands political literacy from its people, and their engagement. I fear that too many of our citizens take our freedoms for granted these days - but that is a discussion for another day.

I am particularly glad to see that I was wrong in my accusations of self-interest towards you, and that you have in fact benefitted hugely from those 'constant' political discussions forced upon you by colleagues.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

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