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Optimal pve Armageddon fit
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Mtroyan
Stars in No Sky
Backward Time in a Strange Land
#1 - 2016-02-17 10:19:40 UTC
Hi guys,

I've recently moved from Amarr to Angels space and because I am Amarr specilised I find it difficult to fly laser boats there. I would really like to stick to Amarr ship line even though I know that its not ideal. I tried to fly cruise missile armageddon with a moderate success. My current fit is similar to this and its doing roughly 800 dps:

[Armageddon, test geddon]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Warrior II x5
Valkyrie I x5
Berserker I x5
Bouncer II x5

There are two empty med slots which I can't fit because I run out of CPU power.
My skill set: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Mtroyan/ and I should have around 1 mil of unlocated sp to inject if some skills are vital for the fit to work.

Can you give me a hand with some suggestions of what should be changed to make this fit more viable? In eft it says that cap should last 5 minutes, whereas in the game its says 1 minute :(.
Yume Mei
Khanid Dynamics
#2 - 2016-02-17 10:53:58 UTC
I'd just use a typhoon, it appears you have that option available.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-02-17 16:28:10 UTC
Too many drone link augmentor II's

Your max targeting range is 81.25km, so one drone link augmentor is best.
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#4 - 2016-02-18 02:15:58 UTC
This is my Armageddon fit, i am adapt it for you:

[Armageddon, Sent Dominix]
Energized Adaptive Membrane II (or Reactive Armor Hardener)
Damage Control II
Large Armor Repairer II
3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
CPU upgrade for you choice

Large Micro Jump Drive
2x F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines (w/o script)
empty med slot for your choice (MWD, AB, Cap recharger)

5x Cruise Missile Launcher II
2x Drone Link Augmentor II

2x Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I

Warrior II x5
Valkyrie I x5
Bouncer II x5
Warden II x5 (or Berserks)

target range - 130 km, fast lock,
drone range: Warden - all target range (90+km optimal), Bouncer - 55 km optimal + 55 km falloff
Depends on mission/s it is better to use only sentry or only heavy drones
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#5 - 2016-02-18 02:18:18 UTC
and can you tell me what is a problem with laser ships against Angel?
because when i use laser boats in Minmatar space there was no any problem, except elite Angel frigs
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#6 - 2016-02-18 07:53:12 UTC
Uriam Khanid wrote:
and can you tell me what is a problem with laser ships against Angel?
because when i use laser boats in Minmatar space there was no any problem, except elite Angel frigs


Angels rats have a high EM resistance which is the primary damage type of lasers thus laser ships are very inefficient against Angels rats. Additionally, Angels rats all tend to orbit close and move faster than other rats which can lead to tracking issues depending on your setup.

@OP

I've linked a cheap MJD snipe geddon setup. You want to keep it T2 as much as possible if you're ratting in null cause you'll probably eventually lose it.

Does a very solid 920 dps with Fury Cruise missiles and with 2 rigors you should be able to use fury missiles reliably against Battlecruiser and Battleship sized rats for full damage while using your sentries to clear the smaller stuff. Sensor booster should generally be left unscripted as it gives you around 100km lock range which matches your cruise missile range, drone control range and sentry range and a little bit of extra scan res. Also an MJD to get to range, you can swap it for an MWD or AB if you're going to warp in at range anyway.

[Armageddon, PvE Snipe]

Large Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Bouncer II x5
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#7 - 2016-02-18 10:16:02 UTC
Angels rats have a high EM resistance which is the primary damage type of lasers thus laser ships are very inefficient against Angels rats. Additionally, Angels rats all tend to orbit close and move faster than other rats which can lead to tracking issues depending on your setup.

@OP
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What?! wtf?!!! where from rise this stupid religios believe?!!!QuestionQuestionQuestionQuestion
Are angel ships on Angel Extravaganza in Amarr space are different from angel ships on Angel blocade in Minmatar space?
Thousands poeple did, do and will do AE with bonus room, EA 5/5, Scarlett (angel variant) and storyline missions against Minmatar in Amarr space with laser boats, and when they move to Minmatar space suddenly their ships did not work just because??!!!
People, why you so ...?
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Dato Koppla, no personal offense
Ginnie
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-02-18 15:44:26 UTC
I only fly Amarr ships and use energy turrets. I like the Navy Omen, Navy Apocalypse and Navy Armageddon and only use the pulse laser turrets with either Scorch or Imperial Navy Multifrequency.

To be entirely fair, Amarr ships with lasers are not ideal for Angels or Guristas. Some of the ships in Angel Extravaganza have a very high resistance to EM and Therm with Kin and Exp as the lowest resistance. I use Caldari drones to augment my damage type against these NPCs.

IMHO, Angel Extravaganza is definitely doable in an Amarr ship with laser turrets; although it probably takes longer than if I had the right type of missions or projectile ammo.

Nevertheless, I have struggled with The Assault - Guristas. The BS have very high resistance to both EM and Therm. I have to get within the Imperial Navy Multifrequency range to destroy them. Their shields recharge too quickly for Scorch.

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#9 - 2016-02-20 10:50:15 UTC
I second the typhoon. But there's nothing stopping you shield tanking the geddon, will give a stronger tank vs angels.
Forum Toon
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-02-20 13:19:28 UTC
I tried the geddon in the past and I had much more fun with navy geddon.

The amount of oomph you can squeeze from navy geddon is great.

but if you use drones and missiles just take rattlesnake \ gila instead.
The Bigpuns
United Standings Improvement Agency
#11 - 2016-02-20 15:41:11 UTC
He doesn't have gallente or caldari skills, as a first stumbling block to that suggestion. Although that would be the sensible direction to train towards
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#12 - 2016-02-24 15:48:57 UTC
A number of ideas on your fit so I will go another way here with comments.

Laser ships are big on PG with small CPU which goes directly against the realities of missiles especially cruise which needs big CPU but not so much PG. In other words wrong weapons type for the ship and your open mids because no CPU are the biggest indicators of this.

Next up is this crazy idea that there is an "optimal" ship or fitting for a specific ship. Once you move from the theoretical world of a fitting tool the whole crazy idea of "optimal" dies because it runs into the twin walls known as player preferences and character skills. In other words what is an optimal fit for me is not likely to be an optimal fit for you. The whole notion of optimal in the context of missions fails again because you did not tell us how you prefer to run missions. The Marauders are incredible mission ships for those who tend towards the full clear and salvage style, on the other hand they are definitely not the best for those who want to blitz. I can go on but I hope my point is made.

Final thoughts.
If you want to fly your geddon then go back to lasers and augment them with mission specific drone choices it will work better than what you are doing now.

But the best answer is this one.
Yume Mei wrote:
I'd just use a typhoon, it appears you have that option available.
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-02-28 22:25:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Chan
Donnachadh wrote:
A number of ideas on your fit so I will go another way here with comments.

Laser ships are big on PG with small CPU which goes directly against the realities of missiles especially cruise which needs big CPU but not so much PG. In other words wrong weapons type for the ship and your open mids because no CPU are the biggest indicators of this.

Next up is this crazy idea that there is an "optimal" ship or fitting for a specific ship. Once you move from the theoretical world of a fitting tool the whole crazy idea of "optimal" dies because it runs into the twin walls known as player preferences and character skills. In other words what is an optimal fit for me is not likely to be an optimal fit for you. The whole notion of optimal in the context of missions fails again because you did not tell us how you prefer to run missions. The Marauders are incredible mission ships for those who tend towards the full clear and salvage style, on the other hand they are definitely not the best for those who want to blitz. I can go on but I hope my point is made.

Final thoughts.
If you want to fly your geddon then go back to lasers and augment them with mission specific drone choices it will work better than what you are doing now.

But the best answer is this one.
Yume Mei wrote:
I'd just use a typhoon, it appears you have that option available.



First of all, why would you assume they're doing missions? Look at the CORP/ALLIANCE, they're null sec based.

Secondly, looking at your skills, I'd suggest immediately stop training your drone stuff and finish getting into a Marauder. A paladin, while the wrong damage type can still do decently and allows you to keep inline with your desire to use Amarr ships. Not to mention sexy utility highs which can be used for smart bombs which means you don't have to shoot at angel frigates anymore. Just let them pile up and turn on the fireworks.

3rdly and my preferred option, is just put some skills toward projectile weapons or Caldari battleship and use the correct damage profile.

Also..Why are you asking on eve forums? Ask your corp/alliance mates who live there for their suggestions/fits. Then again it's TEST...so the troll could run strong.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-03-05 01:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
[Angellion] works just fine and you have two utility emptys

Drone Damage Amplifier II x3
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Large Micro Jump Drive
Cap Recharger II

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile x5

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II


Bouncer II x5
Warden II x5
Vespa II x5
Valkyrie II x5

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