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1v1 combat refitting and Warp Core Stabs for running away [highsec]
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#1 - 2016-02-16 19:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arya Regnar
So combat refitting is getting removed but you can still refit if you have no weapons timer which means that your engagement can go south because your opponent brings in a nestor and refits to 8 stabs which you sadly can't counter by refitting your ship to 4 scrams (because surprise surprise, weapons timer!)

CCP can you please make it so that the receiver of aggro can't refit to WCS while being tackled?
There should be no free GTFO tickets. Highsec 1v1 exists.

Yeah bowheads and orcas and storing ship, I get it but that's extremely easy to counter by bumping the target and bowhead/orca apart whereas you can't really keep a nestor and an enemy ship apart.

This thread pertains to highsec and is completely irrelevant in lowsec nullsec and wormholes where limited engagements are meaningless.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-02-16 19:56:28 UTC
To be fair, if you can't deal with your 1v1 opponent in a minute without any return fire, you don't really deserve the kill.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#3 - 2016-02-16 19:57:34 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
To be fair, if you can't deal with your 1v1 opponent in a minute without any return fire, you don't really deserve the kill.

What are marauders.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-02-16 19:59:14 UTC
Why are you trying to 1v1 a marauder at all, let alone in highsec?
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#5 - 2016-02-16 20:02:24 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Why are you trying to 1v1 a marauder at all, let alone in highsec?

Why the hell would you try to solo anything. Why not just blob everything everywhere.

Are you trying to be the devils advocate here? Just because you can't end the fight in 1 minute doesn't mean your oponent should be able to walk away unscathed.

What is your ideal pvp? Frigate vs frigate?

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Lament von Gankenheim
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#6 - 2016-02-16 20:03:37 UTC
so anyone that can survive longer than 60 seconds...it isnt pvp anymore?


lets not miss the point that ccp is trying to implement "Stupid Idea #4076" in quick succession to "Brain Scrape 2016"
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2016-02-16 20:05:25 UTC
I'm saying why are you trying to solo a ship known for tanking entire gangs, or even dreads, in highsec and complaining when the guy just moonwalks away from you.

As in, what did you expect a ship like that to do in the face of anything that isn't doing tens of thousands of DPS?


Why do you feel that your 1v1 should mean one of the participants is guaranteed a killmail?
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#8 - 2016-02-16 20:08:30 UTC
Isk tanking argument again.

Sigh, why do I even bother.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-02-16 20:10:49 UTC
Why should a 1v1 in highsec be a guaranteed killmail.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#10 - 2016-02-16 20:15:17 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Why should a 1v1 in highsec be a guaranteed killmail.

It shouldn't be. I'm trying to avoid a 1v1 guaranteed gtfo card here, I hope you can understand that much. You don't fly in highsec do you?

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-02-16 20:17:22 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Why should a 1v1 in highsec be a guaranteed killmail.

It shouldn't be. I'm trying to avoid a 1v1 guaranteed gtfo card here, I hope you can understand that much. You don't fly in highsec do you?


No, I don't.

Perhaps you should try getting out of the kiddie pool?
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#12 - 2016-02-16 20:19:43 UTC
First you said 1v1, then you said the other guy brought in a second ship to use to refit. Are you talking 1v1 or not?

Actual 1v1 means they only have a depot to use, so just reinforce it. If we're talking about what you said (multiple accounts) then its not 1v1 anyway, so bring friends.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2016-02-16 20:29:16 UTC
They can do this now, they don't though.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#14 - 2016-02-16 20:54:58 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
First you said 1v1, then you said the other guy brought in a second ship to use to refit. Are you talking 1v1 or not?

Actual 1v1 means they only have a depot to use, so just reinforce it. If we're talking about what you said (multiple accounts) then its not 1v1 anyway, so bring friends.

Okay, lets call it 1v1 limited engagement with outsider help.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
They can do this now, they don't though.

Well you can also refit scrams.

What I don't like is the asymmetrical treatment of refitting options that favor the guy wanting to run away making this game a more risk averse environment.

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Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#15 - 2016-02-16 21:01:51 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:

Okay, lets call it 1v1 limited engagement with outsider help.


So it's a 2v1...

Arya Regnar wrote:

What I don't like is the asymmetrical treatment of refitting options that favor the guy wanting to run away making this game a more risk averse environment.


Shoot the mobile depot? Bump the Marauder? Bring a friend so its a 2v2 situation?

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#16 - 2016-02-16 21:01:56 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
First you said 1v1, then you said the other guy brought in a second ship to use to refit. Are you talking 1v1 or not?

Actual 1v1 means they only have a depot to use, so just reinforce it. If we're talking about what you said (multiple accounts) then its not 1v1 anyway, so bring friends.

Okay, lets call it 1v1 limited engagement with outsider help.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
They can do this now, they don't though.

Well you can also refit scrams.

What I don't like is the asymmetrical treatment of refitting options that favor the guy wanting to run away making this game a more risk averse environment.


If there was outsider help, then it wasn't really a 1v1. He outsmarted you, deal with it.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#17 - 2016-02-16 21:04:50 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Okay, lets call it 1v1 limited engagement with outsider help.


So do the same, bring a friend with more points. Highsec is designed to be safer (not safe, but safer) than other areas of EVE. If you don't like it, move somewhere that allows bubbles.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-02-16 21:09:12 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:

Okay, lets call it 1v1 limited engagement with outsider help.



Why would he bring a ship who unload a depot or offer refit service when he can bring a falcon and break your point to run away?
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#19 - 2016-02-16 21:16:20 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Why would he bring a ship who unload a depot or offer refit service when he can bring a falcon and break your point to run away?


Why would you bring a 200 mil falcon when you could risk a billion isk nestor being engaged instead?

oh, wait...
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-02-16 21:27:49 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
To be fair, if you can't deal with your 1v1 opponent in a minute without any return fire, you don't really deserve the kill.

What are marauders.


marauders maintain their weapons timer until they drop bastion. At which point, you have 60 seconds to break their tank before they can refit.

also, why are you attacking a marauder solo? There are NO. I repeat, NO ships in the game that can both, be in highsec, pvp, and kill a marauder. A mediocre T2 fit on a marauder tanks 2500 dps.
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