EVE General Discussion

Well for those of you paying attention will realize that very soon we may all be waking up to a very different eve.

Simply put the patch in question is going to turn this:

Into this

^tl:dr, the below just justifies the for and against shown here and what it brings or takes away from eve

And in the future then some more elsewhere. Most welcomingly hardwire implants, most abhorrently modules.

Now currently there is feedback in the TSF fourum about it mostly decrying how flavor gets robbed/blander and the current comprimise that some of us are bringing forward is to make all the FOFs, Dumbfire, and Smart Fire missiels seperate names generated 12 instead of four names which is very likely to be heard and taken heed.

Another suggestion was to add damage name into the current names which I partially disagree with considering that Really Really Long Item Name does not favorably do too well in alot of UI configurations. Which at that point you'd almost have to name a missile Caldari Navy F.O.F. EM Rocket Gremiln in hopes you dont cut off the EM and Rocket part and not caring if Gremlin gets cut off becuase its not as important. This is almost dipping into the annoyance factor.

Now then the entire pupose of the above idea is to create 'conveyance' which in game development terms is basically allowing more for the player to self explore much more easily. A game that lacks conveyance winds up wtih players who go "Who am I, What do I do? Where do I go? How do I shoot web? " problem that some of the most horrible games in history and admittingly to some degree eve has.

So instead of having a Jelly Belly Every flavor pack (which is quite nasty if you try to eat it all at once) you get Jelly Beams ordered in small themed flavor packs. (Berrylicous)

So in the end we are facing a Everyflavor vs Berrylicous

Everyflavor has quite a large variety to the point you start to forget what tasted good and what doesnt. I had been recently reminded why I dont like Buttered Popcorn Jelly Beans even worse I have to find the massive online chart for some of the beans of 'questionable' quality Like is it chocolate or cofee or toffee or caramel or licorish?

This is what eve is suffering from now, we are flooded with over 12,000 items and there are alot of us inable to remeber them all. I have to constantly look up meta-level of all sorts of modules as I fit ships of all prices ranges quite regularly at the shipyard.

Berrylicous has few flavors to which I know remember and are quite fond of as I can easily remember whats in the berrylicous mix and what each bean is, even start guesing what flavors are in it without having to even look on the package anymore.

What berrylicous mentality will bring is that we wont be losing out on 12,000 items they just come in more bite size and flavored packages you can almost predict the contents of. What if they suddenly introduced tropical wave flavor pack? Well I would be able to guess majority of the contents or even have an 'expectation' of what should be in the tropical wave and may be off by one flavor or two but never disapointed in the actual answers.

Can you imagine being able to look at a module and instantly guess, oh thats a meta level 2 item. Or how about a meta 4s you know that flavor too!

Now as the argument goes back and forth in Test Server Feedback we do see another good reason why this can be a bad thing.

Auto-link Mjolinir and I get:


Mind you I can get a bigger result list if I where to type in Antimatter into the search bar.

This could be troublesome if too much homengenousity goes on. It be like typing in berrylicous and I get smoothie sour creamy and every sort of berrylicious combination possible. This makes the new idea potentially as bad as pre-game. Sure we can type in rocket and get a far smaller list or having to use two words instead quatering the entire list Mjolnir Rocket would only result in 4 returns.

Anyways there's the two sides, the reason, and the analogy to work with.

Your thoughts?
Berrylicious Beans forever or Everyflavor Beans?

Basically thats what they just did.

I mean I could type in

Antimatter and get MORE results than the Mjonlir would bring back becuase there are other Anti-matter things that arent bullets in eve.

Meh people are silly sometimes. Either way the test server junkies and role players are thorwing thier arms up over this.

I for one would be going like

dary Rocket to get all my flaming rockets

or hell

Rockets and get all the rocket types.


However in the future modules may be getting changed too a similar idea for thier meta-levels

IE

Limited Meta 1
Advanced Meta 2
Prototype Meta 3
Experimetnal Meta 4

I would like to argue against this to some extent

Like limit them by certain groups all the weapons go with one theme all the electronics annother all resistance module thier own anaming scheme. (which I think they already are)

While the diff names are nice for flavor, I also approve of the name reduction to make it easier to search for multiple things in the market at the same time

People involved with technology always name things in a way that makes no sense but to them...
dynamo/generator...cookie...page file... Why start making sense now?
We're used to translating
from the Geek.

We could have both. Like, renaming projectile EMP ammo to:

EMP 'Thor' XL
EMP 'Lightning' L
EMP 'Shocker' M
EMP 'Static' S

Now you can either search by damage type "EMP" or type in a 'flavor' name which gets you exactly what you want, every single time once you learn the names of things that you care about.

Pretty much.

I really don't care, if it makes it ez than im for it.

As for the fluff...really? This this has people up in arms? The time line in the game has progressed how much? Your translator interface is just making it ez to under stand we have no idea what there names are in the toungs of thouse that made them because they just make meat noses and or fancy bran addins tell us whats up, deal.

you wanna talk about fluff?

Why no Bloodraiders incursions? its already THEIR fluff to show up capture every one and kill them all to evil gods.

Why do just sleepers (the Caldari) precursor race get an expansion?

Why no modus legion, rouge drone, Equilibrium of Mankind, etc etc ships? (they all seem like fine candidates for the gel/amr or
min/cal un-used pair up for pirate hulls)

Why no new star systems sense WH/FW? the fluff talks about them being made all the time, how you have to slow boat there and set up shop but that thousands of these "start up gates" are in route as we speak

Why no help from CONCORD one pirates attack you in hisec at a belt?

Why do pirats not run from fights? There not immortal. Are they all under that much presser to not run? do there parent corps like the ship losses?

I like the change.

I hate having to click Show Info on 3 missiles just to find the one I want.

Kinetic Missiles are supposed to be green? I assumed they were grey to match the resistance profiles on the ship fitting screen. I do agree that rewriting some of the mission NPC AI would be nice to give some different stuff in missions like Pleasure Hub, but nothing insane like retargetting.