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New Capital Logistic - Force Auxiliaries - History repeats itself

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Marius Evo
Crack Babies
#1 - 2016-02-16 09:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Marius Evo
This new layout of the new FAUX are just silly... And we have seen it before.

Why do you even make a Gallente and Minmatar variation when they have split rep bonus and no bonus for cap transfer.


Ill bet that you will see a lot of Apostle (Amarr) and Minokawa (Caldari) FAUX...
And it will stay like that until you once again realises that the bonuses are useless and tweak the other two factions in line with the other two.

Why not do it before you let them into the game? This just feels like a waste of effort...
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2016-02-16 09:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Assuming the same sort of capital fight tactics will continue after the changes, it's hard to disagree with that analysis.

The Gallente and Minmatar may have a role repping POSs, but for ship fights Amarr and Caldari will continue to be more relevant.

However, if cap warfare changes and the transfer becomes less useful, then who knows. Things could change. We'll have to wait to see I guess.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#3 - 2016-02-16 09:30:50 UTC
yeah, i agree with the OP. it will only be apostle and minokawa on fleet fights...

Just Add Water

Marius Evo
Crack Babies
#4 - 2016-02-16 09:31:36 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Assuming the same sort of capital fight tactics will continue after the changes, it's hard to disagree with that analysis.

The Gallente and Minmatar may have a role repping POSs, but for ship fights Amarr and Caldari will continue to be more relevant.

However, if cap warfare changes and the transfer becomes less useful, then who knows. Things could change. We'll have to wait to see I guess.



You are right, Sir. But I dont think it will change that much.

quote from dev blog -"Force Auxiliaries are going to completely take over the old Triage role from Carriers"

Without having tested them this tells me that thats excatly what they will become.

Time will tell and if I'm wrong I'll stand corrected!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-02-16 09:48:19 UTC
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-02-16 09:49:43 UTC
even though, you know, it's better to remote assist compared to local reps and remote assist are what they're about.
Marius Evo
Crack Babies
#7 - 2016-02-16 10:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Marius Evo
Scipio Artelius wrote:
The Gallente and Minmatar may have a role repping POSs, but for ship fights Amarr and Caldari will continue to be more relevant.


Well... Since the new citadels vs. pos changes dont really need the reps with the vulnerability timers and all, the "POS" rep role is kinda outplayed... or am I getting something wrong. This even more underline the statement that they are useless... Ugh
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#8 - 2016-02-16 10:51:05 UTC
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2016-02-16 11:03:41 UTC
Marius Evo wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
The Gallente and Minmatar may have a role repping POSs, but for ship fights Amarr and Caldari will continue to be more relevant.


Well... Since the new citadels vs. pos changes dont really need the reps with the vulnerability timers and all, the "POS" rep role is kinda outplayed... or am I getting something wrong. This even more underline the statement that they are useless... Ugh

POSs aren't disappearing immediately. It'll still be quite a bit of time before that happens. Exact timeframe we don't know, but we know POSs will still be around for quite some time yet.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2016-02-16 11:07:31 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
even though, you know, it's better to remote assist compared to local reps and remote assist are what they're about.


But you can't receive remote assist when in Triage-mode.

So, perhaps in some situations a local rep bonus may be useful?

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-02-16 11:08:57 UTC
in fairness the capital local ancillary reps might be worthwhile.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#12 - 2016-02-16 11:11:17 UTC
I honestly think they will be OP. CCP will do that just to prove that people "of old date" like Marius are wrong.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2016-02-16 11:13:47 UTC
hah that's the hope, but I'd be happy with balanced. as in: not ****** up
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-02-16 11:22:27 UTC
Gallente/Minmatar maybe better to drop along blops or small gangs ganking something, not for huge fleets
Sala Kyss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-02-16 11:27:06 UTC
From the look of the bonus's, Amarr & Caldari will benefit cap fleet triage with bonus to overall rep per cycle, minmatar and gallante get a cycle time bonus which would be better for subcap triage where you might want to rep less per cycle in favour of switching cycles quicker. Another scenario would be you have longer rep cycles but with the ability to quickly switch and burst rep using the shorter cycle triage carriers when something gets primaried giving more time for the longer cycle / larger rep to switch.
Marius Evo
Crack Babies
#16 - 2016-02-16 11:34:52 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I honestly think they will be OP. CCP will do that just to prove that people "of old date" like Marius are wrong.


Haha Thx! I hope you are right! Big smile

I just get a deja vu with these layouts.
Perhaps I'm just a dinosaur from the old days! Blink
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2016-02-16 12:10:22 UTC
Sala Kyss wrote:
From the look of the bonus's, Amarr & Caldari will benefit cap fleet triage with bonus to overall rep per cycle, minmatar and gallante get a cycle time bonus which would be better for subcap triage where you might want to rep less per cycle in favour of switching cycles quicker. Another scenario would be you have longer rep cycles but with the ability to quickly switch and burst rep using the shorter cycle triage carriers when something gets primaried giving more time for the longer cycle / larger rep to switch.

I seem to recall something about capital reps not being applied to subcaps anymore. As in they will disallow it. My suggestion was making reps (cap and subcap) apply based on the turret damage formula.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2016-02-16 14:39:02 UTC
Idk. Triple CASB Lif is going to be the bane of many people for a while.
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars
#19 - 2016-02-16 15:37:53 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Idk. Triple CASB Lif is going to be the bane of many people for a while.



CCP has indicated CASB's will be limited to one per ship.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-02-16 16:21:35 UTC
Marius Evo wrote:
This new layout of the new FAUX are just silly... And we have seen it before.

Why do you even make a Gallente and Minmatar variation when they have split rep bonus and no bonus for cap transfer.


Ill bet that you will see a lot of Apostle (Amarr) and Minokawa (Caldari) FAUX...
And it will stay like that until you once again realises that the bonuses are useless and tweak the other two factions in line with the other two.

Why not do it before you let them into the game? This just feels like a waste of effort...


It's worth remembering that the repping power of the new FAXes outside of Triage will be essentially nil - so no more slowcats. Each FAX providing capital reps is on its own for tank and cap. Think about them this way:

Amarr and Caldari FAXes are all passive - they will have a set amount of tank and remote rep/cap that they can bring to a battlefield, and that's it. They will be exhausted of resources at some point and be useless thereafter.

Gallente and Minmatar FAXes, on the other hand, are active - given enough cap charges, they can provide their level of assistance for as long as they're on the field.

Under different circumstances, each flavor of FAX will have advantages and disadvantages. Amarr and Caldari buffers will be advantageous against high incoming DPS that would overwhelm the active tank of Gallente and Minmatar. But against lower incoming DPS the Gallente and Minmatar FAXes can stay on the field for as long as needed while Amarr and Caldari would eventually run dry.

Which one you bring will depend on what sort of fleet you expect to be engaging. I suspect we'll see a lot of Amarr and Caldari FAXes in large nullsec fleet fights where supers and titans are on the field along with dozens of FAXes, while we'll see a lot of Gallente and Minmatar FAXes in lolsec games where it's just one or two FAXes being dropped.

(I'm not exactly sure how the Gal/Min FAXes not transferring cap will play out, though.)
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