Ships & Modules

Hi everyone, returning player here

I am looking for a ship to haul valuable cargo around new Eden, in High-Sec exclusively. From the two basic methods (cloaky and Instawarp) I prefer the cloaky method since it is a very special feeling travelling around the universe unseen.
Yes, I know there is a bazillion threads about this topic, this is why I wondered that I never heard some of the ideas I had.

I realise that with both methods, I can still get caught. So I searched and played around with a lot of fittings and realised that some fittings are not posted out there. Although every good and bad fitting has been posted twice by now.

So I do not know if I am the first to come up with this or if these are failfits and I just do not realise why. So before I go out and throw money out of the window, I would like your thoughts on which should have the lowest risk of being killed.

1. Hecate with <1 sec align time. This should be absolutely safe in high sec except for smartbomb camps? But it is expensive and I need an implant. Is this really working with the <1 sec align time?
Align: 1 sec
Speed: 6.8 AU
Worst Case EHP: 6.57 k
Cargo: 450 m³

2. Hecate with 2sec align time, 4 warp stabs in the lows, 7.8 AU, rest the same as above.

3. Crusader with 2 warps stabs
Align: 2 sec
Speed: 9.6 AU
Worst Case EHP: 4.46 k
Cargo: 90 m³

4. Helios with shield extenders. Cov-Ops ship with the highest EHP potential.
Align: 4 sec
Speed: 8 AU
Worst Case EHP: 8.04 k
Cargo: 175 m³
Cov-Ops capability

So these pop quite fast should something go wrong. So I looked for alternative covert ships I could use:

5. Pilgrim with shield extenders (yeah, I said it)
Align: 4 sec
Speed: 3.3 AU
Worst Case EHP: 34 k (with DC running)
Cargo: 400 m³
Cov-Ops capability

And finally:

6: Falcon shield tank
Align: 5 sec
Speed: 3.3 AU
Worst Case EHP: 65.4 k (with DC running)
Cargo: 315 m³
Cov-Ops capability


So while offering lower align time and low warp speed, the last 2 offer considerably amounts of EHP that should be enough until Concord steps in. Since I have never run into a camp yet, I need some advice why the one or the other fit is good/bad. Or how many, if any warp stabs make sense.

Looking forward to hear your thought on my terrible ideas :)

Thanks, Tamuli

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2015/11/the-transport-tengu.html

taken from the post which I reccomend you read in its entirety
"
[Tengu, Transport]
Damage Control II
Domination Nanofiber Structure
Domination Inertial Stabilizers
Prototype Hyperspatial Accelerator
Thukker Large Shield Extender
Thukker Large Shield Extender
Thukker Large Shield Extender
Thukker Large Shield Extender
Pithum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

The above is an EFT list, if you copy it, the client recognizes it in your clipboard and inserts it into your fitting window. Implants: SM-705, WS-615, High-Grade Ascendancy Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Epsilon.

The mid slots, the rigs, the damage control and the defensive subsystem are for tanking, providing the 280K EHP which is unreachable by any ganker except the most dedicated gangs - who will not sit on a gate wishing and hoping. Please note that the EM hardener is passive, despite an active one would provide better defenses. It is to plug the EM hole even if you disconnect or fail to activate your hardeners. The extenders are Thukker due to decreased signature, making large guns partially miss you. If you can't afford these modules, feel free to use T2 or lower faction until you can."

edit: check out this screenshot. does it get more valable cargo then that? http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/the-2015-de-inflated-killboard-toplist.html

Thank for the answers. Maybe to clarify my definition of "valuable": By this I mean 500M - 1B eventually. I produce some parts which I ship and sell and think about getting into regional trading but do not have a lot of cash to start with. So maybe a 2B T3 may be a good idea in the future, it just isn't affordable now. I saved the setup and read through the post and the other ones regarding "Why was I ganked" so thanks for the link!
In one post he writes how you should not upgrade if the upgrade costs more and does not add value, but in this fit, 2 normal nanos would do the same trick (+0.2 sec align) without increasing signature radius.


I also saw the infographic about the server ticks before and although I like cloaky ships, if I hit cloak to soon after hitting warp, I sometimes get an Error that the cloak doesn't work, so I loose maybe 1-2 seconds in clicking again, which is enough time to lock.
I use dock and undock Bookmarks of course.

So I guess frigates are to fragile if someone is waiting for anything to hit. If someone really targets me, I guess there is very little I can do (except spending 2B on that tengu).

This means I likely will go with a Pilgrim (Because short training times for my Amarr character) and later a Falcon with more EHP.
I can even fit energy neutralizers for a little more chance to get away if things go south.

Anything else I should consider? Do warps stabs make sense? Or will the pirate most likely have more points than I can counter?
No idea how gankers think/work.

I don't see any compelling reason to use anything besides a blockade runner unless it fits in an interceptor. That Tengu fit is just silly.

All BRs have a base of 7.5 AU while all interceptors have 8 AU, you're not going to get a faster BR than an inty. Granted, we are splitting RCHs at this point.

And its dead on the perimeter gate when the server won't let you into jita.

Thank you everybody for your input. Since I am Amarr, I came up with this:

[Prorator, le Bloc]

Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

3 sec align with 10.3 AU and 24k EHP


@Helios, it takes a little if I am already somewhere else with my thoughts. So this has nothing to do with server ticks.

I looked at the Astero and it can really fit a good <2 sec align with decent tank for a frig (~7.2k EHP).

Biggest Problem with the force recon is they are sooooo slow, it will take forever to get somewhere. So maybe a non-bling tengu at first and then upgrade bit by bit.

And to add a point, never ever autopilot those ships, and use their bonuses instead of doing like 95% of the idiots who use expanded Cargoholds and rigs on them ^_^

I forgot to add that DSTs can use Mjds for those sticky situations :)

Some of my earliest eve experiences was being ganked/attacked in a) a venture mining b) a merlin I was killing rats in a high sec belt with and c) in my badger doing a level 2 distribution mission. All my fits were tech1 and my badger was empty bar the mission item! My experiences have left me flying cheap disposable ships that I lose every so often and replace. People in this game will attack and kill you for the pure heck of it. I know I do.