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We turned Aufay into a freighter graveyard after they got the ability to fit low slots. My personal favorite was the triple-expanded Provi with 1 blueprint in the cargo. When this drops expect space ultra-violence in highsec.

Our primary target will be an empty, triple-bulked Anshar because math sucks, RP is king, and there are no breaks on achieving James 315's vision for highsec.

Permits are still on sale.

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Actually what it means is that nearly as many freighters will die after the change as before, the difference made by a bit of EHP will be minimal and the economy would cope even if the change was massive, so it will definitely cope with such a low impact change.

The reason you're grasping at straws and not able to articulate a reasonable argument for why freighters should be unaffected and why gankers should be exempt from balance is because there is no reasonable argument. It will change, gankers will adapt and in a couple of months time it will be back to the same old "all they ever do is nerf us (if you ignore all buffs and treat every highsec PvP playstyle as one)".

No, you're drawing the wrong conclusions from my statement. What I'm saying is that the amount of ganking after this change will be nearly the same as the amount of gnaking before this change -your claim that the nerf is substantial are what I disagree with. I'm saying that you are attempting to blow the change out of proportion to push your own agenda and that in reality most gankers will simply adapt. CCP knows this and have said as much, and if anyone has the stats, it's them.

Of course there's doubt. The difficulty of ganking a freighter wasn't about burning through EHP, it's about catching the freighter. That's where most of the work goes. After that it's just getting F1 pressers to hit it.

How? Any smaller group already capable of killing a freighter will at most have to recruit a few more warm bodies or hit it twice. If they can get it bumped, burning through the HP isn't a problem.

Whether or not this one character's KB supports it, there obviously is an agenda, otherwise you wouldn't be taking such a ludicrous stance. The level of danger is hardly being affected, since as I said above, the main hurdle is catching the freighter. If they were to suggest removing bumping, I'd be right there with you that it's a bad idea, but a HP buff is fine.

And let's face it, gankers are about on par with the haulers they are attacking. Just because they have an alt that flies a disposable ship doesn't suddenly make them the most daring of pilots.

Because I don't see the benefit to a relative nerf against freighters and turn a blanket change into a selective change just to save on some crying from people unwilling to adapt.

Small groups who never would have been freighter ganking now. Simply put, if your group is big enough to gank freighters now, you will be able to adapt and gank freighters after.

LOL, so because I disagree with how you want to keep things dangerous (by catering to the tears of risk averse gankers), I must be trolling? I want EVE to be dangerous too. I want to see active mechanics that allow anti-gankers to form an effective force against gankers so there's a real danger of them actually running into opposition rather than relying on passive defense for gank targets, and as boneytooth put it, N+1 gameplay. What I don't want is CCP to buckle every time ganking groups whine pushing the game into a situation where ganking itself is the low risk option (which we are pretty much at).

This is what you fail to see. Because they are shooting players, you automatically assume their gameplay must be fine and that "more dangerous" means making it easier for them. But for most gankers, it takes nearly no time, nearly no effort and nearly no cost to continue on their playstyle. It's by far the most rewarding straight PvP activity in the game and they get to do it while hiding their mains pretending they are better because they shoot white squares instead of red triangles sometimes. EVE being "more dangerous" requires risk and reward balance everywhere, not just arbitrarily punishing the low end income streams.

I'm a sov null capital pilot, cry me a river. So your playstyle might require a bit more effort. Sorry, I thought this was EVE?

No, because this change isn't about ganking, it's about the way the damage control module works. Everything they are doing with it I agree with, and if the end result is that ganking requires a little more effort, I'm fine with that. In the long term I hope they proved more active mechanics for defending against gankers and reduce passive defense, but that is not this change.

Not even remotely what I said, but nice try.

There are dozens of ways ccp could change damage controls without hitting ganking with a nerfbat.

This change is directly aimed at nerfing ganking by increasing the passive defense.

You are against this change, you just can't accept it.

It's not though, is it? The hardest part is catching the freigther, then you just sling F1 monkeys at it. I've seen more than enough shocking overkills to know that this won't make much of a difference. You're just blowing it out of proportion in an attempt to shield yourself from any additional effort. Get over it and adapt.

And it will be possible to avoid it, by using more pilots, better trained pilots or better ships.

Then I'll pass judgement on that when they've figured it. Gankers need some way of holding a target, though bumping for eternity seems a tad over the top.

I don't claim to be an elite PvPer, but you whining on about a little additional effort as if you're not going after soft targets is laughable.

I'm sure there are but this change does it pretty well.

It's not directly aimed at nerfing ganking, that's just an acceptable - and positive - side effect. Long term I hope they shift to active over passive mechanics for defending against gankers, but gankers are currently OP, so a little extra effort is the minimum that should be put on you.

Nope, I'm not. I'm for it, and every time someone like you comes in trying to drum it up as bigger than it is, I take a moment reconsider taking on board your points and come back thinking it's even more of a worthy change. It's the equivalent of CCP dropping highsec incursion income by 10% and incursion runners posting repeatedly "IT'S THE END OF INCURSIONS, I QUIT!". It looks ridiculous and weakens your argument.

Why do you flood every thread about ganking while knowing almost nothing about it?

This nerf does not exist in a vacuum, it is the last in a incredibly long list. No activity in eve is ~rebalanced~ as often as ganking. This is weird because we don't even kill 20 people a day doing it.

Increasing EHP is dumb, not needed and has a high chance of shifting the meta into bulkhead freighters only.

This change nerfs expanded freighters compared to bulkheaded ones but increases the ehp of both. We're not talking about bringing a couple more people. We're talking about freighter ganking being not worth your time anymore.

Or you can just read the OP where he actually says that this is an intended nerf to ganking.